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stevekc Just Startin' 114 posts since
Feb 7, 2007
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Nov 12, 2011 8:15 PM

JTV-69 - both E Strings falling off the edges of the Fretboard

My JTV-69 has the E strings falling off the edges of the Fretboard.

 

My Low E is the worst.

FWIW - my JTV-69 is  serial # W11070xxx, which translates to 2011, July

See pics:

(Click each pic for full size view)

 

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I have sugested that my JTV-69 Nut appears to be cut with the string spacing set too wide for the available Fretboard width.

 

See  this thread

http://line6.com/support/thread/72880?tstart=0

 

And Rich Renken replied:

"The issue is not spacing. The issue is the Korean factory and the bevel on the edge of the frets. That is why not everyone, in fact, not a lot of people are having this issue. The string spacing and neck width are exactly where James Tyler wants them. We have already contacted the factory and made sure that they don't bevel the edge of the fret more than a certain degree and to be careful when sanding and polishing the fret to not round that edge over. They build these by hand and sand and polish by hand so on some they go to far an make a nice ramp for the string to fall off of. You can definitely grab the neck and pull it toward you to get the high e away from the edge. Hold the guitar as if you were playing lap steel and just gently pull the neck to the left as you look at the front of the guitar."

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Interesting -

 

 

So will Line 6 refret my JTV-69?

 

Because at present  when I attempt to play on the Low E string, there's only a 50/50 chance there will be a fret under the string. Most times it falls off the edge of the fretboard.

  • dkemusic Just Startin' 49 posts since
    Jul 15, 2007

    The spacing sure looks too wide to me.

     

    Dan

  • g_david59 Just Startin' 40 posts since
    Sep 25, 2009

    I have been deciding between the 59 & 69 and the string spacing issue seems to be an issue with the 69.  I am a strat guy, but the issues with the 69 seem to be more prevalent.  Why is it a $499 mexican made Fender Strat does not have these same quality issues. I am not talking about electronic issues that are unavoidable is some cases. Just basic guitar nut/trem/neck/paint/fit finish quality issues should not still be rearing up after over a year of manufacturing. There should be a simple inspection that would not allow a guitar with an obvious defect (yes, this is an obvious defect to an untrained eye) to leave Korea.  I think Line 6 had a golden opportunity to elevate the product line and perhaps bring the variax line closer to main stream.  These obvious quality issues that persist are making me think twice about the 59 I have on order...I have a DT25 combo, Cab and HD500.... I am not a Line 6 hater by any stretch...

    • dkemusic Just Startin' 49 posts since
      Jul 15, 2007

      I think they made a mistake going with World.

       

      Dan

  • sfeinstein Just Startin' 28 posts since
    Jul 3, 2009

    Wow, that is close. My JTV-69 is close but not as close as that. I am working a bit on my technique on how I grab the high e-string to make sure I have no falloff. To be fair, my Taylor 814 is also close to the end of the fret, albeit not as close as this pic.

  • mike-w Just Startin' 23 posts since
    Mar 30, 2007

    So, why all the favourable reviews on the few Amercan guitars they released all of these months while we've been waiting?  The Korean guitars aren't living up to these amazing reviews.

     

    Is it implied that this, and the noise issues on the VDI for that matter, aren't an issue on the American guitars?  If not, why not use it as a prototype and retool to more playable and quieter spec since their testers didn't report these issues?

     

    I returned my first JTV-69.  One of the guitars I played was completely unplayable.  Try a "beginner" D chord and do a pull-off 2nd fret to open on the E string.

      • stumpsout Just Startin' 895 posts since
        Jan 28, 2007

        Good to hear you're happy a true solution has come to you!

         

        I looked at my neck and have the exact same problem and situation you described...hope I can qualify for this type of solution as well. The one i have is not what i would call a keeper, that's for sure. I'm very apprehensive playing it, and it's distracting. I have asked Line 6 today and am awaiting a reply with fingers, toes, and anything else i can muster crossed!

        • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo 649 posts since
          Mar 20, 2010

          I actually went to the trouble of replacing the entire neck with a warmoth and I got one that is 1/16" wider at the nut (so 1 11/16") which improved it a bit but there are still times that my high e string falls off and the fret dressing on this Warmoth neck is perfect much steeper than the original JTV neck.  So I have a wider nut width the (same as my american strat) and steeper fret shoulders and it still happens. This never happens on my strat.  Never!! The only other difference I can tell is that the string spacing at the bridge is still wider on the JTV than the strat, and there is no way to adjust the spacing on the JTV bridge.  I'm currently trying to investigate options to replace the bridge or parts of it.  I don't even care if I have to go back to string through body.  That hassle is worth avoiding string slippage.

           

          It's of little consequence to me whether or not the specs are exaclty like James Tyler wants them, I think the guitar should be playable for more than just strumming open chords in first position.  I would have changed the neck anyway, the original JTV neck is a little chunkier than I like which is too bad because was was pleased with the satin finish on it and wouldn't have had to sand it off.  But making adjustments to the bridge will be a big problem especially since it's most likely that 1/16" in spacing difference is all that is needed. 

           

          I think it would be great is Line 6 would offer a retro fit bridge plate with the screw holes for the intonation screws set closer together.  That would be the easiest do-it-yourself fix for that end.  They could offer a replacement nut with closer spacing as well.  Even if they want to continue to claim that there is nothing wrong with the design and that it's supposed to be this way, I would happily pay for these replacement parts.  Just call them options for customizing your JTV to your playing style.  That way they can save face that the design is fine and then the 95% of us JTV69 owners that want to be able to play the guitar without the strings slipping off the frets can customize our guitars to meet our individual playing styles.  I'm sure the current spacing is perfectly fine for the other 5%.

           

          Everything else about this guitar I love, I think the models are top notch and the alt tuning is just a killer feature and has made life so much simpler.  So I'm most of the way there, and as I mentioned I don't mind spending a bit more money to get the guitar to a state where it's perfect for me.  It's just that the bridge is so specific that it's hard to find a solution.

  • xtcguitar Just Startin' 25 posts since
    Feb 22, 2008

    this has been my frustration with this guitar.. since they are replacing guitars, i guess i need to contact support.

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