Currently Being ModeratedJun 14, 2012 7:24 AM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Yes, you will need 16 ohm speakers to replace them with if you want to keep an 8 ohm load...That would allow you to add an additional 8 ohm cabinet in tandem if you ever wanted to...If you went with 8 ohm speakers, you would have a 4 ohm load...No real option to add an addtional can in tandem, but you would actually have slightly more power if you used 8 ohm speakers....
My opinion runs a little contrary to most players these days....I am not fan of Celestion speakers as I came up on EV12Ls....I prefer to use high power speakers with less color to them...Especially in a combo amp with an open back....Vintage 30 really is the wrong speaker for that situation IMHO....I tend to think just about anything that is rated at 100 watts or more is going to work a bit better...That's just a general observation....
A newer speaker that I started using about a year ago is my current favorite...If I could use all EV12Ls, I would...But they are too expensive and way too heavy for me. I am using Jenson Jet Tornado. It's a Neodymium speaker that is rated at 100 watts...I really dig the tone and it weighs 4 lbs...Fairly coset effective as you can find them for around $140....
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2012 9:14 PM (in response to spaceatl)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Are Ev12L's Eminence? Ive stuck with Sheffield,Celestion and Eminence because Ive owned and played through those.
Apparently celestion have stopped making G12k-100's so now I dont know what is next best for the sound I want, I guess maybe the celestion G12T-100??
I dont know what would be the Eminence equal would be...
Currently Being ModeratedJun 16, 2012 10:41 AM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
EV12L...Probably one the best guitar speakers ever made for a combo amp...just my opinion...too heavy and too much $$ for me...
I highly recommend Eminence...They have a pretty good tone guide and much more to choose from. Also, unlike Celestion, they actually publish the Vas parameters for their speakers...Very nicely done response graphs...
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2012 5:10 AM (in response to spaceatl)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Ok Ive narrowed it down to Eminence the tonker and Celestion G12T-100.
The EV's are way out of my price range, but sound excellent.
Which one of these do you think would be better suited to both the amp and my playing style?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2012 1:39 PM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
hmmmm.....I think I would go with the Tonker out those two...
However, check out the Jenson Jet Tornado....Just judging from the repsonses and specs of what you picked, the Tornado is close to that...But I think the low end might be tighter on the Jenson because of the lower resonant frequency...The lower that is, the smother the bottom end tends to be...especially in an open back cabinet...
Currently Being ModeratedJun 20, 2012 4:12 AM (in response to spaceatl)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
I think I am going to get the G12T hot 100, Ive done some research and one thing that I dont want is early or medium speaker breakup, if any at all.
I use alot of gain and want a tight heavy/punchy sound. The problem Ive been having with my V30's is the speaker breakup, especially when I turn master volume up
only a small amount, the low end is really loose and the highs start to sound ice picky at high volumes.
Dont get me wrong though the V30 is a great punchy sounding speaker, it just doesnt sound the same when turned up loud.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 17, 2012 1:42 AM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
The EV12L sounds right up my alley, though I am in Australia and cant find any on Ebay AU. Only in the U.S. ebay site which I am not likely going to order from.
Infact out of the 3 choices that I have one being the Celestion 'GT12 hot 100', Eminence Swamp Thang 16 or EV12L. The only one that is easiest to get here is the GT12h100.(Also the 2nd cheapest next to the Eminence).
Heres some used Black Label EV12L on Ebay - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ELECTRO-VOICE-Black-Label-EVM-12L-Guitar-Bass-Amp-Loudspeaker-/190688703286?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D9194554179841759324&_qi=RTM839190
Not sure if id trust them buying used ones, who knows who has been thrashing hard...
Anyhow thanks for the tips
Currently Being ModeratedJun 20, 2012 9:55 PM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
EVM-12L is my choice. The GT12x-100's are OK, but the EVM-12L is a cut above. I just haven't been impressed with the Eminence speakers I've tried. Yep, heavy and $$$, but worth it to me. And they are as tough as speakers get - I've had good luck buying used. Your EBay link above is from a seller with 100% positive feedback and he's giving you a 14-day return period, so the only thing you'd be out is return postage.
My favorite EVM-12L story: Quite a few years ago I was invited to sit in with a another band at a private house party - huge house (estate), huge party, and the band had their full setup (one of the guitar players had a Marshall half-stack and the lead guy had a Soldano full stack). I showed up with my Boogie 1x12 combo, loaded with the 12L. They set me up right next to the lead player and the smirks were flying looking at the little 1x12 next to the full stack. The smirks stopped after a couple songs. That was probably the loudest I've ever had the Boogie cranked, but damn if that single 12" didn't have all the presence of the full stack - absolutely no problem cutting through the mix, and the tone was very nicely defined. Truly the epitome of a 'giant killer'.
The SV MkI I've been using at the band studio for the past year or so had the Vintage 30 put back in, as I've had the EVM 12L I used to have in there in my MkII. Since I decided to start gigging with the MkI again I picked up another 12L (used on EBay BTW). Had it loaded in the amp for practice last week. The next day I was talking to our other guitar player and he was literally moaning about how good my tone was and how he needed to do something with his setup...
I might have to check out that Jensen wiht the Neodymium magnet Space. How close is it to the 12L?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 8:30 AM (in response to mtnman82)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
It's not the same as a 12L...It has a little color to it...But it's a very nice color...Not Celestion at all and the breakup color is subtle to me, seems to breakup later, meaning you gotta really push it...I guess you could call it Jenson vibe...
What really impresses me about it is that it is the first neo I have tried that sounds like a guitar speaker...It's tight and solid...unreal how light it is...4 lbs...totally freaky...It's got a tight sound and it cuts nicely without making your ears bleed...
Another speaker I am considering that methinks might be a bit closer to a 12L is the Eminence Delta Lite...This is a PA speaker but the freq response is pretty close to the EV, as is the rating...And it comes in a 5 lbs...The problem is that I really want 16 ohm speakers...
Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 8:14 PM (in response to mtnman82)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Yea its a 14 day return period but I am in Australia, by the time it gets here from the U.S. then I have to install it and take it to band rehearsal.
Its $130 postage one way. So if it doesnt work out then i pay total of $260 for freight alone. Not worth my while.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 9:36 AM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
recone kit for those is $60US....Even if it was blown, you could recone it for less that shipping it back...just a thought...It's a cast frame...really not anything that can break in that...only the VC and cone are what can break...and that isn't very likely....
Currently Being ModeratedJul 25, 2012 3:38 AM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Just an update to my original post,
I finally installed the g12 hot 100 speakers. The sound is... well... hard to describe obviously , I guess it sounds alot like a Marshall cab now.
Theres a slight loss in mids, but lots of bass and presence, a very clean loud sound with very little breakup. The original V30's are 50 or 60 watts I think, and the g12's are 100 watts each, so yea theres alot more room to move now.
The thing I miss about the V30's is that they had a distinct rich mid/harmonic sound to them that I liked very much....Hmmm I wonder if its possible to maybe swap one of the G12's with
the V30 so I'd be using 1 of each. Has anyone tried this out? Would there be a problem with the wattage? eg.(v30's are 60 and g12's are 100 watts) Should I put the V30 last so it connects to
the G12?? ...or...the other way around?
Currently Being ModeratedAug 29, 2012 10:27 PM (in response to wolfgang76)Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers
Wattage isn't as important as the impedance. I assume all speakers are 16 ohms and your wiring them in parallel (for a total load of 8 ohms)? It's not at all uncommon to load cabs with two different speaker types to get the best of both worlds. As for wattage, if both speakers are the same impedance you'll be splitting the load between them equally so 40 watts divided by 2 + 20 watts each max from the amp (this is rms, not peak, and is how this stuff is all rated). Doesn't matter if one speaker is rated differently than the other, as long as they're both rated to take the load of the amp. It also doesn't what you put 'first' as they're connected together so it's all the same.