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wolfgang76 Just Startin' 29 posts since
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Jun 14, 2012 4:27 AM

Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

Hi everyone,

 

Long time reader, first time poster...

Anyhow I want to swap out the vintage 30's speakers with something that is a bit more powerful and punchier.

I'm into hardcore metal and rock so I mainly use hi gain settings and prefer a tight chunky sound for palm muted riffs.

 

I have found that when I turn up the volume the vintage 30's tend to get woofy and muddy, yet it sounds perfect at lower volumes.

I#'m thinking of maybe going for a pair of celestion G12K-100 or the G12T-100.

 

D#oes anyone have any recommendations or used these speakers before?

T#he V30's are 16ohm each? Does that mean I have to get 16 ohm speakers to replace them?

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    Jun 14, 2012 7:24 AM (in response to wolfgang76)
    Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

    Yes, you will need 16 ohm speakers to replace them with if you want to keep an 8 ohm load...That would allow you to add an additional 8 ohm cabinet in tandem if you ever wanted to...If you went with 8 ohm speakers, you would have a 4 ohm load...No real option to add an addtional can in tandem, but you would actually have slightly more power if you used 8 ohm speakers....

     

    My opinion runs a little contrary to most players these days....I am not fan of Celestion speakers as I came up on EV12Ls....I prefer to use high power speakers with less color to them...Especially in a combo amp with an open back....Vintage 30 really is the wrong speaker for that situation IMHO....I tend to think just about anything that is rated at 100 watts or more is going to work a bit better...That's just a general observation....

     

    A newer speaker that I started using about a year ago is my current favorite...If I could use all EV12Ls, I would...But they are too expensive and way too heavy for me. I am using Jenson Jet Tornado. It's a Neodymium speaker that is rated at 100 watts...I really dig the tone and it weighs 4 lbs...Fairly coset effective as you can find them for around $140....

  • jandirk Just Startin' 27 posts since
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    Jun 15, 2012 3:15 AM (in response to wolfgang76)
    Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

    The 212 also has a B-connection (which is 4 ohms), so I'd say you can use a pair of 8 ohms as well.

  • mtnman82 Just Startin' 162 posts since
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    Jun 20, 2012 9:55 PM (in response to wolfgang76)
    Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

    EVM-12L is my choice. The GT12x-100's are OK, but the EVM-12L is a cut above. I just haven't been impressed with the Eminence speakers I've tried. Yep, heavy and $$$, but worth it to me. And they are as tough as speakers get - I've had good luck buying used. Your EBay link above is from a seller with 100% positive feedback and he's giving you a 14-day return period, so the only thing you'd be out is return postage.

     

    My favorite EVM-12L story: Quite a few years ago I was invited to sit in with a another band at a private house party - huge house (estate), huge party, and the band had their full setup (one of the guitar players had a Marshall half-stack and the lead guy had a Soldano full stack). I showed up with my Boogie 1x12 combo, loaded with the 12L. They set me up right next to the lead player and the smirks were flying looking at the little 1x12 next to the full stack. The smirks stopped after a couple songs. That was probably the loudest I've ever had the Boogie cranked, but damn if that single 12" didn't have all the presence of the full stack - absolutely no problem cutting through the mix, and the tone was very nicely defined. Truly the epitome of a 'giant killer'.

     

    The SV MkI I've been using at the band studio for the past year or so had the Vintage 30 put back in, as I've had the EVM 12L I used to have in there in my MkII. Since I decided to start gigging with the MkI again I picked up another 12L (used on EBay BTW). Had it loaded in the amp for practice last week. The next day I was talking to our other guitar player and he was literally moaning about how good my tone was and how he needed to do something with his setup...

     

    I might have to check out that Jensen wiht the Neodymium magnet Space. How close is it to the 12L?

    • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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      Jun 21, 2012 8:30 AM (in response to mtnman82)
      Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

      It's not the same as a 12L...It has a little color to it...But it's a very nice color...Not Celestion at all and the breakup color is subtle to me, seems to breakup later, meaning you gotta really push it...I guess you could call it Jenson vibe...

       

      What really impresses me about it is that it is the first neo I have tried that sounds like a guitar speaker...It's tight and solid...unreal how light it is...4 lbs...totally freaky...It's got a tight sound and it cuts nicely without making your ears bleed...

       

      Another speaker I am considering that methinks might be a bit closer to a 12L is the Eminence Delta Lite...This is a PA speaker but the freq response is pretty close to the EV, as is the rating...And it comes in a 5 lbs...The problem is that I really want 16 ohm speakers...

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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        Jun 22, 2012 9:36 AM (in response to wolfgang76)
        Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

        recone kit for those is $60US....Even if it was blown, you could recone it for less that shipping it back...just a thought...It's a cast frame...really not anything that can break in that...only the VC and cone are what can break...and that isn't very likely....

    • mtnman82 Just Startin' 162 posts since
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      Aug 29, 2012 10:27 PM (in response to wolfgang76)
      Re: Spidervalve mkII 212 speakers

      Wattage isn't as important as the impedance.  I assume all speakers are 16 ohms and your wiring them in parallel (for a total load of 8 ohms)?  It's not at all uncommon to load cabs with two different speaker types to get the best of both worlds.  As for wattage, if both speakers are the same impedance you'll be splitting the load between them equally so 40 watts divided by 2 + 20 watts each max from the amp (this is rms, not peak, and is how this stuff is all rated).  Doesn't matter if one speaker is rated differently than the other, as long as they're both rated to take the load of the amp.  It also doesn't what you put 'first' as they're connected together so it's all the same.

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