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jmccosar Just Startin' 15 posts since
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Jul 1, 2012 9:10 PM

Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

The back of my HD100 MK II (under the Speaker Output Section) reads "Use Class 2 Wire only".

 

Why?  Does this affect the sound?  Does it protect the Speakers/cab?  If someone answers it doesn't affect your tone, cab or serve any other purpose.....why would Line6 put that in plain print on the cab?  How can you tell a Class 2 from a Class 3 cable if its not printed on the cable itself?

 

Any feedback out there?

  • Crusty_Old_Rocker Expert Line 6 User 3,096 posts since
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    Jul 2, 2012 4:26 AM (in response to jmccosar)
    Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

    I t's about not using instrument cables like a guitar cable as speaker cable.  That would be very bad for your amp as it will mess with the output resistance.  Never use a guitar cable as a speaker cable.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Crusty

  • Crusty_Old_Rocker Expert Line 6 User 3,096 posts since
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    Jul 2, 2012 4:29 AM (in response to jmccosar)
    Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

    When buying a cable from a music store you will see that they are labelled as speaker cables.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Crusty

      • mtnman82 Just Startin' 162 posts since
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        Jul 2, 2012 6:32 PM (in response to jmccosar)
        Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

        A little Googling: The only difference between class 2 and class 3 is that Class 3 rated wiring is rated for a maximum of 300 volts and Class 2 has no such voltage rating. Is this important? For an example, an audio amplifier driving a pair of 8-ohm speakers, and delivering 300 volts peak-to-peak will provide an incredible 26 amperes (I=E/R) of current for a total RMS power delivery of something like 5600 watts (P=I2R).  With this in mind, even at peak levels, I doubt we see anywhere close to 300 volts p-p, so I would say the class 3 wire is overkill.

          • mtnman82 Just Startin' 162 posts since
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            Jul 2, 2012 8:13 PM (in response to jmccosar)
            Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

            I'd be willing to bet you just got a bad cable.  I've never had good luck with the Monster Cables and have A/B's them with relatively inexpensive cables (but not cheapies) and they suck IMHO.  Next time you're playing with a Monster Cable try slapping the cable against the floor (not carpeted) - you'll be surprised what you hear!  Rapco/Horizon are the only cables I use now - several different levels of quality and you can't beat the quality for the price.

             

            I think the main point to the note on the amp, as mentioned earlier, is to used speaker wire (i.e. balanced wire) and not the shielded cords (i.e. instrument/patch cords).

        • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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          Jul 2, 2012 6:48 PM (in response to mtnman82)
          Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

          Actually, if memory serves this specification has to do with the class 2 wiring inside the amplifier...It's a 400 volt amplifier internally. I think that means once you are class 2 in the circuit, you must remain that way to termination (speakers)...I think this has more to do with a safe design in terms of the power tubes shorting closed and 400 volts going through the output transformer...I think it's more of a safety thing with an inefficient high power device like a tube power amp....

           

          Anyway, I use quad class 2 11 AWG. wire to run a 212 off my SV112...basically each speaker is a homerun and I will never have to worry about it...for the rest of my life...long live the garden hose!

  • tcunningham4 Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    Mar 12, 2013 2:02 PM (in response to jmccosar)
    Re: Speaker Cable Connection - CLASS 2 Wire Only????

    I know this is a somewhat old post -- but I thought I'd clear it up.

     

    Class 2 wiring refers to the National Electircal Code class for wiring, which indicates to the installer what type of wiring practice is needed, and to the inspector as an indicator of the specifications of the equipment without having to contact the manufacturer for every single item.

     

    This is aguideline for safety from shock and fire protection. For home use, it is really meaningless, unless you are installing the wire from room to room, or within the walls, on a high-power system or for

     

    General guidelines for class 2 are that the voltage be under 30v and the total power under 100VA, For a speaker wire to an 8 ohm system, the voltage at 100W would be about 30V. Anything over 100W should trechniically be class 3, but for runs within a room, class 2 is fine.

     

    More important to me that class are practical considerations, such as:

     

    1. Don't use shielded cable (a guitar cord or phono cable) for more than 20 watts per channel and then only temporarily. As noted already, it can cause heating problems, and the capacitance can afect frequency response. It has other, less audible effects, but my 50+ ears can't tell.

     

    2. Don't run wires acoss the floor, especialy under rugs. It is asking for damage, and shorting a speakler wire can be an expensive trip to the amplifier repair shop.

     

    3. Instead of remote speakers from a central amp, think about powered speakers in a remote location -- more felxibility.

     

    4. Buy bulk wire and make your own cables instead of name brands -- they use the same materials anyway. I challenge anyone to be able to spot the sound of different wires, unless the wire is defective, or something way out of bounds -- like using telephone wires for speakers.

     

    5. Wires within walls should have a protective jacket ove the individual insulated wires, just in case something else is pulled through the same wall. It helps prevent costly damage later.

     

    6.You don't have to have a professionsal installer for long runs or hidden wiring, but it can avoid simple mistakes. If you want to do it yourself, do some research. Not just online, go the library and get a book. Even old books on wiring for sound can prevent headaches. It might even make for a wise consumer if you hire an 'expert'.

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