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  • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User 2,379 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    spikey wrote:

     

    I dont know what hoops anyone had to jump over or through to become an Expert, or what knowledge base one has to have, what they cant say, who they know and so on... All that makes a difference too

     

     

    Yes it does and it's a shame people don't consider that before throwing around the 'fanboy' moniker. Hopefully the reason for our positivity will become clearer soon, but then it will be forgotten soon enough and the next time an Expert is positive the fanboy monkier will be thrown out again.

     

    These are my views as a human being and not a fanboy - the information I am privvy to will of course change my answers compared to if I didn't have that info - who knows, maybe I'd be complaining too (well probably not, I have a llife to get on with). Sorry to all I offend with my positive comments.

     

    Whatever my replies, they're always my opinion and may be influenced by some extra info I have, but just because I'm positive doesn't make my opinion any less worthy (and as stated, there may be a reasons I reply positively other than to wind people up).

     

    Anyway, I think the humour of the original post has been somewhat lost in that people are reacting exactly as the OP stated. Oh well.

  • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
    Feb 1, 2007

    I don't have time to find links, but I think if you'd look around, this statement would easily be proven false

     

    Thats a pretty flat statement judging by your time limitations, as vaild a statement as mine was then,  wouldnt you say phil?

     

    And didnt you catch the "most not all" statement i made did you, or are you now suggesting the exact thing I am blaming the "Experts" here for,  just couldnt happen from anyone at anytime? Really?

     

    In that case, thats more than just a flat statement phil. Its asinine and wrong. I HAVE looked around phil, and the only one here that has EVER qualified their non negative ALL the time posts here to me was Zap.

     

    The Stepford Wives syndrom is what it reminds me of. And now that you deny it happening makes it ever so much more humorous to me phil...

     

    Look, we all want the same thing from Line 6. Fix and update our Pods. But ALSO here,  people depend on what those name tags you have above you name, to mean what they say. Line 6 makes good stuff, but they are not perfect. And if you cant come clean and have ANY negatives "AT ALL" to state about anything Line 6 does here for us to read, then what valid good is that title you carry? Its not all good, all the time. Cant be. Putting more stuff in the 3/400 versus the 500 proves that, even if its short lived and a minor thing atm. So post all your negatives about Line 6 here phil, and prove me wrong.... Ive been wrong before so its all good.  But I would like to re-read them for my own edification...

  • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
    Feb 1, 2007

    Glad to read that Karl... FWIW....

  • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
    Feb 1, 2007

    Mr Arkadin, I agree 100 percent.

     

    What irks me is when someone here suggests what Im saying has never happened....  And, there may indeed be reasons behind it as you and I stated. But it "has" happened and without qualifing its reason, tends to look very one sided. Thats all im saying. Thanks for your explanation and opinions.

  • spikey Just Startin' 378 posts since
    Feb 1, 2007

    PaulBateman wrote:

     

    you dont give more to the people that paid less... ever, in any business...

     

     

     

     

    Agreed. Bad business move no matter the reasons. Im betting that there were (and still are) fights going on about this in L6 PR dept,  wondering how (as the Eagles sang) it ever got this crazy...

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    im not getting into any of that... its not the point. but what if i do think it makes them inferior? you dont mean to say my opinion isnt valid because it doesnt match yours, do you?

     

    Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but I have a hard time believing that these extra amp models are going to make the 300 and 400 seem superior to the other PODs to many people. I suppose if they're important to you, they're important to you. They aren't models I'd probably ever use. But even so, the other are simply vastly superior in what they offer as far as routing and effects capability.

     

    It will soon be a moot point anyway...

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    I believe several Line 6 employees grabbed a dog by the hind legs and pushed him around like a vacuum cleaner when they were younger. There's something negative for you...

  • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User 2,379 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    I'm not about to spend time digging through my old posts - but I have agreed with everyone about improving the EQs and changing the silly % instead of dB values etc. And no, I don't understand why it was done this way and why it hasn't been addressed - even as Experts we're on the fringes of the loop so to speak. But like phil I don't see the 300/400 having extra amps (and the Soldano is three channels of the same amp) for a brief time undervalues the 500 - it still has dual amps and movable effects, so is still far superior to the 300/400 in my book.

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007

    Sorry about that...I have always been a fanboy and a points ho...

  • EnzoHeavenly Just Startin' 19 posts since
    Dec 26, 2008

    After reading all of this, I understand why 500 users (as myself) are ****** off.

     

    I mean... as it has been said before, the flagship is meant to be the first to get the updates. It happens with other kind of products as well (as cellphones, tablets, computers, etc...). Even though doing this could generate complaints (you know, look at what happened to the last update for the JTVariax, people loved the new acoustic models but hated the 12-string models... Line 6 had to release a new firmware to kinda fix this).

     

    I really can't understand why they decided to release it for the 300/400 series. I don't really mind as long as we don't have to wait over a month or two. Maybe they were writing the new firmware for the HD300/400 when the other team had finished writing the new amp models. That could be a simple and clean explanation.

     

    Now, as a HD500 user... I DO think Line6 should prioritize it's high end modeler or, in cases like this, give an approx. time of release for the update. "Soon" is not good enough, sorry. I have always been supportive with Line6 but there are things that should never happen in business. Just look at Google, they will release their new OS (4.1 a.k.a. Jelly Bean) in their OWN new tablet, the Google Nexus 7 (which is their flagship, meant to be the Amazon Kindle Fire rival -or killer-), and THEN will extend the upgrade for the people currently using Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.3), and after that... to those using Gingerbread (2.3). IMHO, thats how it should be...

     

    But anyway, as someone else said, we shouldn't be ungrateful. Line6 is giving us more than we actually were supposed to get, so I'm happy with that. At least we ain't paying for FX bundles, if you know what I mean

     

    The only question I have is... why can't we have the Bronze Master (featured in the FX Infusion 2.0 for spider valve amps). I would even pay for it xD

  • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
    Oct 15, 2006

    THAT DOES IT!  IF I DON'T GET MY UPDATE SOON... !!  I'LL DROP MY BEAN OUT THE WINDOW!    

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

       i live in the basement

  • mikey7 Just Startin' 18 posts since
    Jul 27, 2007

    No POD v2.x for you..........2 weeks!!!!!soup nazi.jpg

  • Triryche Expert Line 6 User 3,698 posts since
    Feb 20, 2007

    toneman2121 wrote:

     

    THAT DOES IT!  IF I DON'T GET MY UPDATE SOON... !!  I'LL DROP MY BEAN OUT THE WINDOW!    

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

       i live in the basement

    LOL!!!

     

    I don't live in the basement (at least no most of the time), but my Magic Bean does.

    I wonder if we were to through it out the window if it would grow an HD Beanstalk that would lead us to a Golden firmware update!! 

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
    Dec 22, 2006

    toneman2121 wrote:

     

     

     

     

       i live in the basement

    in your parents basement? going to write a mean blog?

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    PaulBateman wrote:

    I bought the HD500 partly to get any updates first...

     

    No offense meant to you at all here, but what would have lead you to expect this?  Line6 hasn't had this kind of product line before where there are multiple levels of the product built around the same technology.  Why would one, simply because it has a higher number, get updates before another?  Wouldn't it be based around planned feature sets, differing hardware platforms/firmware optimizations, defects that need addressing, testing schedules and resource allocation?  Based on those criteria, it could be any of those products that get an update before the others.  This is one of those times where the circumstances favored giving the 300/400 platform, whose users were already feeling a bit left out, a little unexpected treat.

     

    If you have a few dogs and you give a treat to one of them and the others snap at you because they didn't get theirs first, how long before you stop giving out treats altogether?

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