haha... I try to keep things civilized, this isnt the xbox forums afterall

My whole thing was pointing out its a bad business move, regardless of their reasons for doing it.. thats all..

Understandably, some get annoyed just because they lump me into the group of people that feel entitled to everything under the sun blah blah..

I was never here to make a claim i feel i deserve it.. i want it, yesterday preferably..lol.. but whatever.. Their announcement on facebook was full of ****** off HD500 users and who can blame them? Thats where the fanboy thing came in.. Just because you may feel cab DEP's are more important then amp models, doesnt mean others will too.. It really just seems like L6 fans are making excuses when L6 cant be bothered to defend their own actions to its customers..

I have no personal or vested interest in this company, i really dont.. But the basic laws of retail go.. the 300 gets you in the door, the 400 has everything the 300 has and more! the 500 has everything the 400 has and more!!

thats their business model... or it was... Nobody should ever be faced with downgrading equipment simply to get what they want.. neither line6 or anyone else has ever followed this mixed up business model.. and there really is no legitimate reason that makes this ok. at least i havent seen/heard one yet.

its not about my feelings or how i use my 500 or if i can live without the new models... its simple logic

I think that is bad the situation because is being a "little figth", but I think (in a humble way) the problem here is:

-The fail is think about the owners when the problems is in the series: 300/400 VS 500.

Is simple, the company can´t do more amps, for example, to the "entry" products and less to the "top end" product, because is a "temporary disadvantage" in that part.

Is nothign about to be happy or angry with the owners, or something similar, all is peace&love. It is just different, is bussines, and they are doing a bad move, is easy to see and know that, only in this forum you can find clients with all their rigth (me too) to say or ask; Why if I buyed the top level version I don´t have the SLO100 now?

The correct move could give the update with the SLO100 to the 300/400&500 int the same time, but never, never only to the lowest series because if you pay for more you have all the rigth too say that you want the SLO. Remember that the marketing strategy, watching the web, is something like, "buy HD500 because you have so many options more in all sense than to the other series".

Is not a problem about owners, is about level of series in HD, and like they have client that used more money (because they wanted more option, for necessity, funny, more effects, more amps, I don´t know, the reason depend to the client) and are not happy... so: very bad bussines move...

I know this was intended as a satyrical thread but... some hours ago in the official Line 6 page on Facebook they said:

HD500 users: your update is coming too. We can't say precisely how many weeks away it is, but the team is working on it. We would have liked to release all PODs at the same time, but since the 300 and 400 were finished first we let them loose. We'll let you know when we're getting close

silverhead wrote:

 

Hey, no problem Paul. It's great to have different opinions expressed here. Like others have said, it would be a pretty boring place without that.

 

I respect your opinion about the business model. I have a different opinion, as I outlined earlier. When a new firmware update is ready for release, it is perfectly legitimate to include any new amp models that are available at the time of release, regardless of the product involved. I think that is a legitimate reason, and explanation, for the fact that the HD300/400 currently have amp models that the other models don't.

 

Just because I happen to have a tag associated with my name does not invalidate my opinion, nor does it make me a nazi or a fanboy.

 

You don't have to downgrade your equipment to get what you want - you just have to wait a bit. The HD300/400 users waited a long time. Hopefully the higher-model owners won't have to wait nearly as long.

I think i may have brought other threads into my somewhat harsh post.. It wasnt solely at you or anyone.. Just as you knew people (like me i guess lol) would ***** about it, i knew people would blindly defend them.. I have been helped greatly in the past by many of the "experts" and i really didnt mean to make it out to be hostile but it may have leaned that way.. i like a good debate!! haha..

They have actually announced their reasoning now so this is all besides the point... But i am of the opinion that the lower models should never have more of anything then the 500/pro.. It would be like the old pocket pod having more amps then the X3.. the reason to buy the most expensive model was to get everything! not just for the extra io options (which i dont use anyways) and certainly not to wait while people that paid almost half what you did can get some freebies that you have to wait for..

i suppose thats just my expectation but it was a logical one to make imo.. but i cant help but laugh when i see that comparison page.. 29 amps for 300 or 25 for 550!!

lol.. i mean yeah, there IS more to it then that... but from a headline point of view, it will make the customer scratch their head i bet.. and likely lead most of them to the least expensive unit.. Higher models get continued development and the lower models are lucky to get whatever they get... lol.. might be a biased point of view but if thats truely not the case, i wasted $200 getting the 500.. lol

actually i live in the attic

TheRealZap wrote:

 

toneman2121 wrote:

 

 

 

 

   i live in the basement

in your parents basement? going to write a mean blog?

 

 

It is the flagship model... I assumed all development work would be done for it, and THEN trickle down to the lower-end models where possible.. I thought it was completely fair to make the 300/400 users wait for 2.0.. not to be mean, but they paid half what i did in some cases.. common sense kinda tells those customers they will take a backseat to people that bought the top models..

 

I owned the HD300 before selling it and buying the HD500 because I get tired quickly of being treated as second class based on the money I spent. As much as I'm eager to get the update for my HD 500 now, I think line 6 made a very smart decision releasing the update to the lower models. They really set themselves apart from other companies and restored the faith to most hobyiest and hard working musicians.

I think the HD500 is an insane value and a bargain considering what it offers, still there are many of us outhere that sometimes can't fit the HD500 in their budget, yet line 6 is showing appreciation for those who spent less. It's brilliant and I honestly love it. If you step back a abit, you will realize that the HD500 as it stands today isn't really lacking anything from a guitar palyers's stand point. The addional updates will come in time and they're just a bonus not a necescity. The more I spend time playing and ignoring the updates, the less I feel that the updates are really that necessary.

When I owned the HD300, I thought it was great that I didn't have to spend that much to get the basic tones that others who did pay double what I paid had access to,  and when line 6 gave updates to 500 I did feel abandoned. If I couldn't fit the 500 in my budget, I would have been more upset when the 500 got the 2.0 first. In a perfect world everyone should get the update the same time, but if it can't be done I don't mind alternating. the way I look at it, the timing of the update issue, since I honestly don't think the updates are really that pressing, is a very minor issue and a little price to pay considering that having access to similar technology from other companies involves spending double at least. Honestly every one should be supportive of Line 6 even adopting a business model that makes cutting edge technology available to the masses!  That's why I always respected line 6. How many can afford an AXE or a Kemper? Let's be realistic here, the HD series can stand it's ground against both and provide more functionlity at a fraction of the price. I've heard many HD500 and 300 sounding better than AXEII so the update is no longer a pressing isse for me.