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kdog Just Startin' 34 posts since
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Aug 31, 2012 8:49 AM

Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

Hey Guys,

 

I am an old school POD guy, am stuck in a long term remote assignment for work, only gear I have is one beater guitar and my trusty XT Bean. I was thinking about upgrading it to an HD Bean since it looks like I will not be able to get back to my complete rig for a couple of months yet maybe even six months or longer, but I have taken a solemn vow to not purchase any modeling product that does not have at least one of a PV5150 or SLO100 model (seriously).

 

I've been mostly unplugged from the cutting edge of PODdom since the HD released.

 

So... I'm wondering: what is the status of the SLO model for the HD units? I know the 300 has one already. Given L6's history I would expect them to roll this into other units. The bean would probably have the most long term value for me, so I'd strongly prefer the desktop solution. Has L6 released an update for the Bean/500 yet? If not has there been any official confirmation of a plan to add it? If there was a plan I could at least pull the trigger knowing I would get it at some point.

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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    Aug 31, 2012 9:03 AM (in response to kdog)
    Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

    There has been official confirmation of the plan to add the Soldano (as well as the other models) that are now available in the HD300/400. The HD500/Desktop/Pro firmware update is expected soon although no release date has been announced.

    • Iknowathingortwo 1,667 posts since
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      Aug 31, 2012 9:48 AM (in response to silverhead)
      Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

      Great to know - who made this official confirmation from Line 6?  I look for to the one of the better models all previous Line 6 amp have had in their arsenal.

      • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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        Sep 2, 2012 4:59 PM (in response to MerlinFL)
        Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

        i think they confirmed it on their facebook page, saying that the new amp models would be available on bean/500/pro as soon as they were fully tested and ready to release.  i believe it mentioned that they developed them for 300/400 first.  they didn't give a reason as to why, but one can assume it was due to the lengthy delay between fw v 2.0 for 500/bean/pro and 300/400

  • alfmetal70 Just Startin' 104 posts since
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    Sep 1, 2012 4:58 AM (in response to kdog)
    Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

    Like I said some weeks ago, when they gave the Soldano update for the HD300&400 models:

     

    I think that Line 6 company is more interesting to sell that "low" series now, because the HD500 is so easy to sell (like I see) so they don´t need to do so much effort now, in comparison with the 300&400 that they need a "little kick" for sell more (the Soldano models and the other virtual amps).

     

    "Soon" for Line 6 sound different to us; "soon" mean, how many weeks/months at now?

     

    Well, they are doing what they want, sell, not give a best product to the people that pay more and the marketing part of the web say (see the differences between the models and take the conclution about what model must to give you more and look the price), and if I paid for the best serie in that moment (HD500) I less the "VIP" options now, for me don´t was free and nobody gave me the money like a present for have the POD HD500, I paid for the best and complete product from L6 (I wanted more effects, amps etc...)... and you can see the new strategy for sell more HD300:

     

    http://line6.com/news/general/1314

     

    So... maybe the Soldano model for the HD500 probably will come when they sell some more HD300 units...  bussines are bussines ... and the 500/Pro users continuing in the second place with the amps models ... I said?... bussines are bussines

    • lforward00 Just Startin' 34 posts since
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      Sep 4, 2012 7:58 AM (in response to alfmetal70)
      Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

      There is no need to feel like you are in second place. You will get the soldano models, no doubt about it.

       

      In the meantime, you can add all the amp models in the world to the 300 but you cannot equalize any them very well (unlike the 500).

      • alfmetal70 Just Startin' 104 posts since
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        Sep 4, 2012 10:59 AM (in response to lforward00)
        Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

        Yes I understand, but also I said that is a strategy for sell more HD300 units because is more easy sell HD500 units. And the 2 strategies at this moment are:

         

        -New models (4 if I remember well)

        -Pod Farm free

         

        Is ok, but also not good that if you pay for have a priority you have less less amps, like now. Is something about bussines, for the and for me in this case, I paid for more options and want more options (amps in this cases). Greetings

        • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
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          Sep 4, 2012 11:57 AM (in response to alfmetal70)
          Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

          no matter how many amps you have, they won't makre you a better player.

          • alfmetal70 Just Startin' 104 posts since
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            Sep 4, 2012 7:41 PM (in response to toneman2121)
            Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

            what? I never said that, I never will expect something like that from a POD HD, maybe I don´t need try to be a better player buying a product because I used money with teacher for years, if is for be a better player the classes are the rigth option for me (also I do classes), so listen what I did with an unprofessional product (I am not a virtuous but maybe a decent player I think)

             

            http://www.goear.com/listen/66eb57f/demo-guitarra-acalvo-lp-jazz-alfredo-pena

             

            Mr_ Arkadin: Well, if somebody think that "you have what you paid in that moment", is totally in their rigth and is correct, if other person paid also thinking in the "plus" that carry a product with the future updates (paying for some product that you think that will be better in tone with the months) also is in their rigth; or not?

             

            Every one buy with their expectatives, and everyone have the rigth in their own reason

             

            P.S.: I think that the POD HD is enough professional machine in this moment, and sure could be better in tone, I feel that the rigth for the new amps models could be for all the series (300, 400, 500 and pro) or to the high serie first, that is very easy to understand for a customer

            • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User 2,379 posts since
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              Sep 5, 2012 1:18 PM (in response to alfmetal70)
              Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

              alfmetal70 wrote:

               

              Mr_ Arkadin: Well, if somebody think that "you have what you paid in that moment", is totally in their rigth and is correct, if other person paid also thinking in the "plus" that carry a product with the future updates (paying for some product that you think that will be better in tone with the months) also is in their rigth; or not?

               

               

              No, not really. Certainly you can expect what you like from Line 6, but if they don't deliver exactly your expectations that were never promised in the first place then you'll always be disappointed.

               

              Really, looking at some of the lengthy responses here people are spending far too much time over-thinking this and not enough time playing.

              • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
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                Sep 5, 2012 12:41 PM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
                Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                +1

                 

                "Really, looking at some of the lengthy responses here there people are spending far too much time over-thinking this and not enough time playing"

              • alfmetal70 Just Startin' 104 posts since
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                Sep 6, 2012 8:52 AM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
                Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                Mr_Arkadin when they gave the Soldano model also they created a new expectation, and I am sure that I am not the only one here

                 

                P.S.: I think in the same way like you, is better play than use a forum, but yesterday I did that wainting for have more "hot" the valves in my amp and drinking a good coffe. Now I am writing a manual for a work (not all is rock in the life), and drinking again coffe... and in the nigth will come the guitar again (I am experimenting with the Bogner Uberschall model, is very "real" the response and also very good emulation. I only know a clon amp I never proved the real Bogner U., but sound similar with the clon)

          • mput Just Startin' 66 posts since
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            Sep 5, 2012 2:17 AM (in response to toneman2121)
            Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

            to toneman

             

            very profound... adds absolutely nothing to the conversation

        • Mr_Arkadin Expert Line 6 User 2,379 posts since
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          Sep 4, 2012 12:12 PM (in response to alfmetal70)
          Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

          alfmetal70 wrote:

           

          I paid for more options and want more options (amps in this cases).

           

          No, you paid for what it had when you bought it. Really, you're making a mountain out of a molehill, the Soldano will be here very soon.

          • hansvaneven Just Startin' 372 posts since
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            Sep 6, 2012 4:27 AM (in response to Mr_Arkadin)
            Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

            Mr_Arkadin, I think we all know that when the HD500 shipped that new updates would come, because there were few amps and no bass or acoustic guitar support, so your statement, "you paid for what it had" is a little out of context here, for me the HD500 won't be finished until they provide real EQ's with at least musical parameters istead of % and some basic amps like a soldano and a JC120. Sure we can play with it, but it's not finished for me, and I also bought it knowing that new updates would come, so crossing fingers here they will finally decide to add a good EQ, which during my poll a few months ago was n°1 on the wishlist for most users here http://line6.com/support/polls/1138

             

            Cheers,

             

            Hans

            • alfmetal70 Just Startin' 104 posts since
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              Sep 6, 2012 7:14 AM (in response to hansvaneven)
              Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

              +1, that is my point, some people (for example: me) bougth the HD500 for the updates like the "plus" (and knoying that the POD HD500 in that moment was very good option, the best in the line). For me was very but very good the update for the microphones preamp (and was something completly new for the HD series). Everyone have their own reason for use/have the HD500, and everyone have the rigth because are their fundaments. Greetings

            • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
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              Sep 6, 2012 7:10 AM (in response to hansvaneven)
              Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

              hansvaneven wrote:

               

              Mr_Arkadin, I think we all know that when the HD500 shipped that new updates would come, because there were few amps and no bass or acoustic guitar support, so your statement, "you paid for what it had" is a little out of context here, for me the HD500 won't be finished until they provide real EQ's with at least musical parameters istead of % and some basic amps like a soldano and a JC120. Sure we can play with it, but it's not finished for me, and I also bought it knowing that new updates would come, so crossing fingers here they will finally decide to add a good EQ, which during my poll a few months ago was n°1 on the wishlist for most users here http://line6.com/support/polls/1138

               

              Cheers,

               

              Hans

              what's wrong with the eq's?

              • jimsreynolds Power User 2,227 posts since
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                Sep 6, 2012 9:45 AM (in response to toneman2121)
                Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                toneman2121 wrote:

                 

                what's wrong with the eq's?

                ... uh oh ...

                 

                (goes off in search of a bunker)

              • hansvaneven Just Startin' 372 posts since
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                Sep 6, 2012 10:54 AM (in response to toneman2121)
                Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                Or better said, where are the EQ's ? No, seriously, they are all but user friendly and incomplete, a real EQ would need (Hi Low Shelvs, Hi Lo Pass, Q, Freq and Gain stages) and at least 4-5 bands to be complete ... you can couple a few and use Meambobo's chart to understand better how they work, but they could have done it right out of the box ... this will always be a mistery for me ...

                • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
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                  Sep 6, 2012 11:34 AM (in response to hansvaneven)
                  Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                  hansvaneven wrote:

                   

                  Or better said, where are the EQ's ? No, seriously, they are all but user friendly and incomplete, a real EQ would need (Hi Low Shelvs, Hi Lo Pass, Q, Freq and Gain stages) and at least 4-5 bands to be complete ... you can couple a few and use Meambobo's chart to understand better how they work, but they could have done it right out of the box ... this will always be a mistery for me ...

                  i suppose the eq's are critical  more for recording than live.

                  • meambobbo Iknowathingortwo 1,702 posts since
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                    Sep 6, 2012 11:54 AM (in response to toneman2121)
                    Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

                    well, if you're recording you should have access to even better EQ's in your DAW.  I find they'd be most helpful for live applications or for casual applications where you want a wide variety of patches, but don't want to have to mess with a DAW every time you switch patches.  For pro recording where you're only using 6-10 tones, you would be better off dialing a solid EQ in via the DAW, which is configurable even after you've recording the raw tracks.

                     

                    i don't have a real problem with the EQ's, except that they are sensitive to clipping.  The % instead of Hz and db thing is a pain, but not a dealbreaker.

    • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
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      Sep 4, 2012 12:25 PM (in response to alfmetal70)
      Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

      alfmetal70 wrote:

       

      Like I said some weeks ago, when they gave the Soldano update for the HD300&400 models:

       

      I think that Line 6 company is more interesting to sell that "low" series now, because the HD500 is so easy to sell (like I see) so they don´t need to do so much effort now, in comparison with the 300&400 that they need a "little kick" for sell more (the Soldano models and the other virtual amps).

       

      I think you are reading way, way too much into this.

      • Krontab Just Startin' 201 posts since
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        Sep 5, 2012 2:03 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

        Not to kick this horse too much more but , I do understand the sentiment that people have. If you bought what is assumed to be the flagship product of the line, you might expect that it would receive updates first. I do agree that the HD500 is pretty model rich to begin with and this is of little concern on the whole. Another way to view this is that the HD300 and HD400 users are the user acceptance testers, threshing out the model bugs before the HD500 users get the more tested version.

         

        Given that developers time needs to be focused on one product line or another, and it is obvious that there are two similar but separate product lines here, there are two ways that Line 6 could have proceeded. The first would have been decide that release A must be achieved for both product lines before public release. This would take longer for new models to be made available as there would be no further development on models until both had achieved release A. Also people would complain that Line 6 was holding back as models would be coupled to the releases on both lines achieving the same level.

         

        To Illustrate First Option Timeline:

         

        Development on 500 series starts
        500 version A With Amp Model Set Version A is achieved
        Development on 400 series starts
        400 Version A With Amp Model Set Version A is achieved
        Public Release for both series Version A with Model Set A

         

        Development on 500 series starts
        500 version B With Amp Model Set Version B is achieved
        Development on 400 series starts
        400 Version B With Amp Model Set Version B is achieved
        Public Release for both series Version B with Model Set B

         

        and so on....

         

        The second approach is to release based on what product line is currently being worked on. This would flip the "bleeding edge" between the lines so models could be released as initially developed. So 500 series gets version A, then 400 series gets version B, then 500 gets version C. In this case each version brings new amp models with it and addresses bugs and enhancements specific to the product lines themselves. Effectively decoupling the model releases from the product lines allowing the amp models to progress at a rate faster than the product line specific code.

         

        To Illustrate Second Option Timeline:

         

        Development on 500 series starts
        500 version A With Amp Model Set Version A is achieved
        Public Release 500 series Version A with Model Set A

         

        Development on 400 series starts
        400 Version A With Amp Model Set Version B is achieved
        Public Release for 400 series Version A with Model Set B

         

        Development on 500 series starts
        500 version B With Amp Model Set Version C is achieved
        Public Release 500 series Version B with Model Set C

         

        Development on 400 series starts
        400 Version B With Amp Model Set Version D is achieved
        Public Release for 400 series Version B with Model Set D

         

        and so on....

         

        In conclusion the second approach seems to be the strategy being taken and in the end benefits both product lines through getting the new amp model code out faster by not waiting for both product line specific code to catch up. It seems unfair when you are waiting for your product line to get the latest amps though. One thing that could speed things up is if the developer pool was increased to do parallel development, but that would at least double the cost of development representing less return on investment for Line 6.

  • hansvaneven Just Startin' 372 posts since
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    Sep 5, 2012 7:41 AM (in response to kdog)
    Re: Status of HDs wrt Soldano Models

    Hope to see some update soon, and I really hope they listened to the forum and decided to finally add a real good EQ ... that would be Xmass in summer ...

     

    Hans

     

    => My HD500 in action ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZF8Ebga0A

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