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thomas12452 Just Startin' 20 posts since
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Jan 19, 2013 7:52 PM

Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

I just bought a Line 6 HD pro and a crown XLS1000. I have the HD Pro going to the crown using the balanced outs to the channel 1 and channel 2 inputs. I have the crown going to my Orange 4x12 stereo cab with speak on to 1/4 cables. It shows that it is getting signal from the HD Pro on my crown but I am not getting sound from my cab. I'm not sure what is wrong. I'm pretty sure its something really stupid lol. I have zero experience really with rack gear. Any help would be much appreciated.

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  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    Jan 20, 2013 10:39 AM (in response to thomas12452)
    Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

    Make sure the HD is set to LINE level...

    make sure the amplifier is in the correct mode also...(stereo...bridge mono is not what you want)

          • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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            Jan 20, 2013 2:47 PM (in response to thomas12452)
            Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

            meter your cabinet...makes no difference what it says. Does it have any switches?

              • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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                Jan 20, 2013 5:51 PM (in response to thomas12452)
                Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                No...You can always go up on the load with a solid-state...

                 

                Meter the cabinet...Mulitmeter...You can check the cabinet wiring with one...You can get one at home depot or walmart for $5 to $10...I am wondering if you cabinet is mono...or is the amp set to bridge...hard to say without seeing eveything up close...

                  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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                    Jan 20, 2013 8:17 PM (in response to thomas12452)
                    Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                    From that last picture, it looks like you have the level knobs on the front of the power amp turned all the way down.

                    • davidb7170 Just Startin' 253 posts since
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                      Jan 20, 2013 8:56 PM (in response to phil_m)
                      Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                      Several things could be going on here -- I use the HD500 into my Crown XLS1000 into a single 150W Eminence Tonker 12 inch 8 ohm speaker with good results.

                       

                      Unless the Pro is different than the HD500 (somebody please confirm yes or no), the XLR outs are at Mic level not line level, The line level switch on the 500 only affects the 1/4" unbalanced outputs on the HD500. The Crown XLS1000 NEEDS line level ( a hotter signal) on either its XLR or balanced 1/4" inputs to get acceptable level out of it.

                       

                      The ohm load of the speaker will further drop your volume, as the XLS1000 is rated 500 watts at 2 ohms per channel, 350 watts at 4 ohms, 215 watts at 8 ohms. If you run 16 ohm speaker load on it, it will not be silent, but will be down in the dirt especially with mic level signal going in. If you have a shorted speaker or speaker lead, you would have silence, but you'd notice your Crown level meter LEDs red-lighting and shutting down the outputs. If you have an open circuit in your speaker or cabling, you would have silence, but not having the amp shut down. Also, phil_m noted that your level knobs appear to be at zero. That could also be a root cause -- you get no output with the level knobs at zero.. You should see some signal levels lighting up your LED's on the power amp when you're playing into it.

                       

                      I run XLS1000 at ~100% and control the overall volume level at the HD500 output volume. I use the HD500 1/4" out set at line level to the 1/4" XLS1000 input, and set my XLS input level to ~100%.I just use a regular heavy duty guitar cord between the HD500 and the power amp input. I wish the HD500 would also push line level to the XLR outs, but they don't.

                       

                      The pic of the speaker shows you have 2 inputs -- you use both and you have 16 ohm speaker load rated at 200 watts -- these are the separate speakers. If you only use one input, you have the 2 16 ohm speaker loads in parallel giving a total load of half -- or 8 ohms, that will be able to take 400 watts, but the amp will give you 215 watts at 8 ohms. You would be able to run your cab at 215 watts with one channel, or something on the order of 500 watts if you bridge your XLS1000. 16 ohms will give you 2 channels of really weak power.

                       

                      Dave

                       

                      Dave

                      • joel_brown Just Startin' 90 posts since
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                        Jan 21, 2013 6:18 AM (in response to thomas12452)
                        Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                        You said in your earlier post that when you unplugged one side of the crown that fed the speakers you got sound.  I had this problem myself some years ago.  The solution was re-wiring the speaker cabinet because it had come wired in-correctly.  I think you need to concentrate on checking the speaker cab wiring and connections.

                          • joel_brown Just Startin' 90 posts since
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                            Jan 22, 2013 6:38 AM (in response to thomas12452)
                            Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                            I don't mean this in a disrespectfull way, but if you don't know speaker wiring then you need to either Google and learn it or find someone to come over and help.  It's not hard to learn and will help you tremendously with amp equipment now and in the future.

                              • davidb7170 Just Startin' 253 posts since
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                                Jan 23, 2013 6:52 AM (in response to thomas12452)
                                Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                                No can do with 2 pairs of 8 ohm speakers. Each speaker is 8 ohms, rated 100W. Put in series, you get 16 ohms 200 watt rating - which is how it is now per pair. Put in parallel, you get 4 ohms, 200 watt rating. The XLS1000 can put out 215 watts to 8 ohms, 350 watts to 4 ohms, and 550 watts to 2 ohms. It's obviously not linear. Crown does not show a power rating at 16 ohms, but it would probably be around 100 watts, unless there is something else going on, like they shut off output above a certain ohm load - can't tell you on that....

                                 

                                If you use single speakers at 8 ohms 100 watt rating - one per channel, the XLS's 215 watt 8 ohm output is more than double the speaker rating. I use a single 150 watt rated eminence 8 ohm speaker, and I'm closer, but still have to watch it, as the amp puts out more than the speaker rating.

                                 

                                Putting a pair of 8 ohm 100 watt speakers in parallel, you'll get 4 ohms 200 watt rating. The XLS will pump 350 Watts at 4 ohms, again be careful and don't blow your speakers....

                                 

                                Your cab has two 8 ohm 100 watt speakers in series to make 16 ohms. When used in mono, it puts the 2 pairs in parallel to equal 8 ohms rated a total of 400 watts, but the XLR1000 pumps out 215 watts to an 8 ohm load.

                                 

                                I could not tell from your photo what the speaker jacks are. The amp is Speakon connector out, but doubt your cab is -- probably 1/4" jacks to plug and switch mono/stereo..... If it were Speakon, there'd have to be a separate swtich.

                                 

                                Had they been 16 ohm 100 watt speakers, you could have 2 parallel pairs at 8 ohms 200 watts, put in parallel for mono to make 4 ohms 400 watt. It would better match the amp specs...

                                 

                                Dave

                              • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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                                Jan 23, 2013 12:04 PM (in response to thomas12452)
                                Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

                                You don't have to worry too much with a Crown SS...I suggest you take the simple approach...wire each pair parallel...More typical 412 cabs use 16 ohm speakers...but even if they are 8 ohm, you will be just fine...turn on the peakx limiters and you should have nothing to really worry about...just mind that the clip lights don't flash too much...

  • thomasmorgan0205 Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    Feb 10, 2013 7:43 PM (in response to thomas12452)
    Re: Crown XLS 1000 and Line 6 HD pro problem

    is it at all possible to just use one 1/4 to xlr from the HD Pro to the Crown XLS channel 1 input and then one speakon to 1/4 from the XLS channel 1 output to the Orange to get a 400w mono just like I did with my 6505?

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