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davidcraven6 Just Startin' 2 posts since
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Jun 6, 2009 12:47 PM

Re: Choosing chords

I've just got the JM4 and have been playing along with the backing tracks, which are awesome. However, I don't seem to be able to find chord progressions that sound good when I am trying to play along to a rythym line. I thought that working on the 1st, 4th and 5th chords in the key would work but it doesn't seem to. Any ideas would be really helpful.

  • peterksh Just Startin' 6 posts since
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    Jun 12, 2009 12:33 AM (in response to davidcraven6)
    Re: Choosing chords

    If the I, IV and V(or V7) don't fit then try the relative minors IIm, IIIm,VIm or VII diminished.   So if you are in C and C, F and G7 don't suit then try also Dm and Em and Am and B diminished. I have attached an excel spreadsheet with all major scales and it provides all the relative minors for each scale. If you have EXCEL fine if not and you want this document then go and get the free software Open Office and use its spreadsheet function.

     

    You might want to get Green's "Chord Chemistry" book. He does have advice on chord substitutions. But I am speaking beyond what I know.

     

    I do not know exactly what you are doing, but is it possible that your backup tracks are already providing you the chords which you need to identify and the issue is to know what lead riff or what scales go along with these chords?

    If this is the case you may want to get a demo version of Chord Alchemy 4.  For every chord it list scales that are suited to it. It also does a ton of other things including giving over 200 chord types, up the neck, in every key!

     

    I hope this helps.

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    • GhengisKong Just Startin' 67 posts since
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      Feb 20, 2010 1:34 PM (in response to peterksh)
      Re: Choosing chords

      Nice spreadsheet PETERKSH! You even put the circle of 5ths in there!

    • DerSeimeister Just Startin' 7 posts since
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      Feb 23, 2010 4:08 PM (in response to peterksh)
      Re: Choosing chords

      I don't mean to sound pedantic, but strictly speaking the diatonic vii7 chord is half-diminished.

       

      A full diminished chord is a stack of minor 3rds, but the vii7 chord has a major 3rd on the top.

       

      So vii7 in C major is B D F A.

       

      B to D = minor 3rd

      D to F = minor 3rd

      F to A = major 3rd.

       

      B Diminished would be B D F Ab.

  • DaGuy Just Startin' 3 posts since
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:22 AM (in response to davidcraven6)
    Re: Choosing chords

    You might also pay attention to what notes your emphasizing.  For instance is it the

    root, 3rd or 5th of the underlying chord? Sometimes playing a scale presents us with too many notes

    and it's best to arpeggiate. Just keep practicing, your problem will disappear with time.

  • DerSeimeister Just Startin' 7 posts since
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    Feb 2, 2010 4:33 PM (in response to davidcraven6)
    Re: Choosing chords

    The important thing is to know keys and triads. If you can memorise this, then you've got it made!

     

    Take the key of C major, no sharps and no flats. The notes, of course, are C D E F G A B. All chords are based on triads, using the 1st 3rd and 5th notes.

     

    OK, try this. Take C as the root or 1. The 1st 3rd and 5th notes from there are C(1) E(3) and G (5) C major Do the same thing to the rest of the notes and you get this.

     

    C E G = C major = I

    D F A = D minor = ii

    E G B = E minor = iii

    F A C = F major = IV

    G B D = G major = V

    A C E = A minor = vii

    B D F = B diminished = vii

     

    If you have an A note in the key of C, the underlying chord can be D minor,  F major or A minor.

     

    Hope this makes sense.

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