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Everything is fine... reset everything and its working... But on that note... Put the DT amps on the side for a minute... I'm using a blackstar ht5... At some point I'll spring for a new amp..... presumably with a good tone on its own..... So the thought would be to use the "new" amp as the main tone... and with the HD500 in the loop and for the most part just passing the signal from my "new" amps preamp to the power amp... When I want to change amp sounds... I put the new amp in clean mode with low gain and hit a different patch on the HD500 for the new amp model .... Does anybody do it this way....? The 4cm cable mettod with the Blackstar HT-5 ... with the HT-5 preamp hanging off the efx loop of the HD500... sort of puts the HD500 as the primary...which is fine because the HT-5 is a relatively inexpensive amp.... But what if I drop some larger coin on a better amp....? It seems I would be making more use of the amps preamp if I put the HD500 in the amps loop and use it when I want something different ... I guess it comes down to ... "What do you want to run the show?" THe amp or the HD500....If one drops a large amount of dollars on a new amp... that is sort oif implying that they like the tone of "that" amp.... and to then use the HD500 as the "primary" into the new amps effects loop return... bypassing the new amps preamp... is kind of a waste of money... don't you think? Is anybody else at that point where they are considering a new "dream" amp... and are wrestling with how to incorporate the 500 into their overall strategy....?

That was just good advice... spend a good amount of time with the HD500 before you change another variable and think about changing amps..... Just some quick tips... When you start messing with patches... make sure your amp is turned down as you flip from patch to patch... I read somewere that a noise gate at the begining and end of the signal chain is a good idea.... so I use it on all my patches... you can always take it off or adjust it later... My suggestion would be to instead of going to one of the default presets.... Start from scratch .. with a patch that has nothing in it... and "slowly" add an amp model and effects.... and figure out what you like... Its a lot easier playing with an amp model and one effect than messing with one of the default patches that has 8 effects in it... Trust me... as a newby that is the fastest way to frustration... so find an amp model that you like .. and then over a week or so ... go through all the distortion pedals .. and figure out which one you think sounds best with the amp you selected... and write it down... keep notes.. "this pedal I liked" , "this pedal I didn't like"... When you find something that you really like.. write it down .. with all the settngs... This way if you lose the file or setting or the power goes out before you save it... whatever.... you can still recreate it from the notes...

Hi, Normally i just bring the HD500 into the efx loop return and everyting is fine.... I was doing a litte experimenting by putting the HD500 within the amps loop.... so it looks like this... Guitar - compressor pedal- eq pedal... amp input... amp efx send to - HD500 guitar input - HD500 output to - amp efx return. So everything is the same as before ... only now .. instead of the guitar supplying the input directly to the HD500... its being supplied by the amp efx out..... What I am trying to do is to see if .... I can use the amp as the primary ... and the HD500 as the secondary... meaning use the tone of the amp as the main tone... and in those times the HD500 is set to a patch that has no amp model selected.. just an EQ... with a little gain... Then when I want an amp model .. I set the amp to the clean chanel... and then pick another patch on the HD500 that has an amp model ... This is I guess the opposite of the usual 4cm method where the HD500 is the main tone generator.. and by picking a patch with a fxloop it sends the signal out to the amp and back to the HD500.... This is kind of the opposite ... using the amp mainly for tone.. and the HD500 in the amps fx loop when I want a amp model..... WHat I am getting when I do that is a - distant, fizzy, echoey sound on all patches in the HD500... So I guess the question is .. is there a setting that I am missing.... ? When I take the HD500 out of the fx loop the amp sounds normal.. a little Blackstar HT-5... Maybe something to do with levels? as now the HD500 is getting its input out of the amps preamp where as before it was getting it from the guitar and a couple of pedals... Oh, lollipop.. I just remembered that the Input on the HD500 is set to Guitar... I guess maybe it should be set to aux? I'll try that now... but please comment...

Yeah but would it have been a big deal to do the following....? How many models are there... 30ish.... Take each model and make 5 patches for each..... totally pristine clean... light overdrive... distortion... clean with reverb... overdrive with reverb and delay... (something like that) ... Have somebody do it that was fluent in guitar.. and who also knew the software... This way the new owner can hit the ground running... they could still experiment and make patches on their own... but at least they are much further on their way... How many posts have you read that said that the newbie owner was ready to pack it in with the 500 because they couldn't dial in a tone... ? I've read quite a few... If you give them good usable tones up front for each model... the enjoyment factor is immediate instead of the feelings of frustration... A one page cheat sheet .. that started with ... WHat are are you plugging in to? Then pick these settings. Most of the posts from new owners are either about .. dialing in a tone... or setup configuration... which are very related.. If you have the output setting wrong.. then that can impact dialing in a good tone... Had they done that... 50% of the posts on here... wouldn't be here...

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So if I'm understanding... as Studio Direct would have no bearing on the output to my amp because other than the FXLoop effect in Path A there is nothing else configured ... no modeled amp or other effects... so the Output setting on the POD is a moot point because with no cab/mic sims turned on.... the POD on Path A with the FXLoop is just sending the guitar signal to my amp... just like a blank piece of straight wire.... So then the output mode on the POD would just have to concern itself with Path B... the fact that there is a amp model selected as well as a cabinet simulation.... so Studio Direct would be the output setting as it rolls off the highs and would make the L2t sound more like a guitar cabinet... (?) I think we're almost there... I can see light.... Does using the L6 link for connection to the L2t buy me anything....?

"POD has different output voicings that aim to compensate for the different connection options - studio direct that rolls off the treble for FRFR so that it mimics the response of a real guitar amp (the FRFR can go to 18 khz, but the POD only outputs to 5khz)," Good stuff... "Given that POD HD500 can only do one output mode at a time, if you want to feed signal to front of house directly from the POD, FRFR is your only option if you also want to add something on stage that you can control." Right now I'm running .. guitar in to the POD... out the FXLoop to my amp preamp... back in to the POD on FXReturn... through the POD ... out the POD to the FXReturn on my amp..... so only using my amp and a 2x12... no FRFR... The inputs are set to guitar and same... The output is set to Studio Direct.... I have it set up for Dual Path with Path A having NO amp selected and only the FXLoop icon in the path... for going to my amp... Path B has an amp model and nothing else... both amps meet back up at the mixer... and then OUT>...... SO because I am physically coming out of the PODS .. OUT into my amps FXReturn... I just did a quick lookup and found ... Stack Power Amp... for connecting to an amps FXReturn.... for using the amps Power Section.... I want to be able to use my amp on Path A where I can have my pedals connected external to the POD... and on Path B... configure a model.... so the result is.... when I hit the patch.... I can have a traditionally configured amp rig.... and also have the POD create an amp model on Path B... so it would be one out... L(mono) to the amp... and ultimately.... R(mono)... to the L2t... Given that POD HD500 can only do one output mode at a time, Umm..... Did I just hit a road block? If I have a 1/4" out to the FXReturn on the amp.... and a 1/4" out to the future L2t.... If there is only one out that can be configured ... what should it be set for in this case....? If the amp is looking for Stack Power Amp.... and the L3t is looking for Studio Direct.... It looks like I just painted myself into a corner...(?) "POD has different output voicings that aim to compensate for the different connection options - studio direct that rolls off the treble for FRFR so that it mimics the response of a real guitar amp" So it looks like I can't do what I want to do... optimally anyway... Has there been anything said about the ability to have more than one output mode... and to be able to configure it on a physical output by physical basis....?

Right... I'm just trying to do my REALLY hard thinking before I pull out the card or log in to PayPal... Where your L2T WILL shine is the flexibility it adds for other use cases The flexibility is great on it... I'm sold on the L2t... I'm trying to figure out down the road when I upgrade my amp which direction to go... DT 25 or other... rack amp etc...

I've not checked the specs but I think class AB pentode gives you 25 watts, class A pentode gives you 10 watts and class A triode is down at around 5 watts. I'll go back and check that.... I thought it was just 25 watts... and the low volume mode brought it down to 10 but then it was a modeled signal... for low level bedroom playing... The reason why that is important to me is that I'm looking at this Mesa which is 5/15/25 and 5/25/50 depending on model and selectable.... so 5 watts is available for low volume bedroom playing... It sounds like you are saying that the DT25 will do the same thing but it does it based on the model selected and does it automatically as it reconfigures the power section for A, A/B, Pentode, or triode... If that is the case they are missing it by not saying that more simply in the literature... As a newbie (relatively) it sticks in my head when I see power selectable between 5, 15 and 25 watts... Its a whole other step in my pee brain to figure out that Class A/B Pentode is 25 watts .. Class A/B Triode is 10 watts ... and Class A Triode is 5 watts... I'll double check that in the DT25 lit... Thanks...

"Not positive what you're asking" I'm not either... :) "tube power amps have an interaction with the guitar that simply is not there is a fully simulated rig" Yeah I've heard this before... something about the impedance changing with frequency on an regular amp that is not there on a modeled rig.. It sounds like that its similar to how do you want to buy your coffee... do you want to pull out a crisp bill .... or pull out the change in your pocket... both will get you there its just a slightly different experience... and the guy selling you the coffee (the audience) isn't going to give a lollipope about how you do it... as long as you do it... I'm getting an L2t in a couple of weeks so I can play and learn as I go... back and forth between the amp and he L2t... IEMs? Sorry, newbie here...

So I'm reading this and other forums and it seems there are 3 basic options for the HD500...FRFR, a traditional amp combo or head, or a rack power amp... The general consensus is that modelling sounds the "best" with FRFR speakers... because as its a modeled signal.. the FRFR speakers are technically best able to reproduce the sound most accurately... However there are a lot of folks that are very passionate about running the modeler into a power amp such as the Fryette and/or the Mesa... With either the head/combo or the power amp the signal is running to a cabinet with the guitar speaker of choice.... that has a freq response to about 5khz where it starts to fall off... vs a FRFR speaker like the L2t that runs up to 18khz.... I know the L2t FRFR type speakers are capable of reproducing keyboards vocal etc... that extend up past the range of a guitar ... But with just looking at how guitar sound is produced... Is the argument that the FRFR speakers are producing sounds above 5khz and that is why it sounds better...? That would imply that the standard guitar speaker that tops out at 5k is leaving a lot of sound on the table and not effectively delivering it to the listener.... The DT25 combo uses a guitar speaker.. and the reviews are great... "awesome" "spectacular"... but a few Hz either way .. tops out around the 5khz mark.... while the L2t is pushing out towards 18khz... Again forgetting all the other bells and whistles with something like the L2t (mixer, inputs etc.) just pure guitar signal.... compared apples to apples.... L2t, DT25 or some other amp... and rack power amps.... I guess the question is.. Is there a quantifiable sound that the FRFR speakers are able to produce for guitar sounds that a regular cabinet being pushed by a rack amp or a head not be able to deliver... The DT25... assume for a second that it didn't have the internal analog switching for the power section... then it would (for purposes of this discussion) just be like another amp head that was delivering a guitar sound to a speaker that topped out at 5khz.... DT25 and cabinet... delivering up to 5khz... L2t... able to deliver up to 18khz... Putting all the other bells and whistles aside.. I'm having a problem reconciling in my head what is truly going on in each of these scenarios with regard to the actual frequency output for guitar sounds ... Comments welcome...

Thank you! This is what I am wrestling with... I have a Blackstar Ht-5 5 watt tube amp that has an effects loop... Its a nice little inexpensive starter amp... and I have an HD500... I got the 4 cable method to work using the FXLoop where I could set a patch so the only thing in the chain was the Blackstar preamp and power amp... On another patch I got it to work using just an amp model... but yes its running into the power amp section of the Blackstar HT-5... so its this issue..... "Running pre amps from the HD500 into the power amp of a guitar amp only offers a single type of power amp for the 30 different preamps, this won't sound right." On another patch using the Dual Path I was able to get both the Blackstar and a modeled amp in the chain at the same time...using the FXLoop on the Blackstar path A side... and by setting the input to "same"... with both going to the power section of the Blackstar out to a 2x12... and the POD mixer able to adjust both.... I'm trying to not screw up the purchase decision... I want to get a L2t so I can do your suggestion of having a FRFR for the modeled amps... Then I could still utilize the Blackstar with its preamp and power amp into the 2x12 ... along with the modeled amp going out to the L2t in FRFR fashion.... Somewhere down the road I'm going to want to upgrade the Blackstar amp.... On one of the threads... the comment was made (somebody's opinion) to not even bother trying to use modeled amps on anything less than a higher end amp.... The reason being that the cheaper amps are just not able to do justice to a modeled amp sound... I was looking at the DT25 and the Mesa 5:25 or 5:50. That is what I am wrestling with... I like the Mesas 5 watt mode. I wish the DT25 had a 5 watt mode that wasn't modeled in "low volume" mode... I'm having a mental block with the amp side of things... the L2t is a definite ... just figuring out what to do about the future amp... When I get the L2t that will keep me going for a while so I have time to consider the amp.... Thanks...

What does summing to mono mean to me in practical terms for the setup that I have... my own preamp / amp on Path A... and a modeled amp on Path B that will be going to a L2t when I get it... both out of the 1/4" outs... vs. maybe using the XLR for connection to the L2t... Let me think this out... Mono.. meaning not stereo... meaning all sounds lumped together and sent to a speaker... "The nice thing is you can leave your patch setup for total separation and have it "mono ready" by just using the left 1/4" output. Note that the XLR outs don't sum to mono if you were ever to use those." So if I have a patch set up with L and R fully panned ... left and right... and just use the left 1/4" output... then both signals are "summed to mono.." .... makes sense.. there is only one output so it has to be summed... If I get the L2t and use the 1/4" R mono out to connect to it... then because there are now 2 paths to 2 different speakers... then the mixer .. through panning is able to send 2 different signals down each path.. or if the mixer is put to Center on both channels.. then the same sound will come out of both speakers... Note that the XLR outs don't sum to mono if you were ever to use those. So if I am using a 1/4" out to my amps FXReturn... and let's say I use a XLR going from the POD to the L2t... I can still use the mixer to pan the signals for the separation... correct? I don't know why I would do that.. just curious... probably just use 2 1/4" outs to the amp and the L2t.... Just to add another wrinkle... how would using the L6 link on the POD for the L2t and a 1/4" out to my amp impact things... Thought I just read on another post about an issue with using the L6 with the L2t and an amp... but maybe that was with the DT25... I have to go back an find that post... Don't really need an answer to any of this... I have to get the L2t .. hook it up and see where I'm at... Thanks....

Thanks for your help... I appreciate it... I would love to test the separation ... only problem is I don't have the L2t yet...! Now that I see that this works .. I'm ready to see about getting the L2t... Until then I can mess with the different models and volume levels so when I get the L2t I already did most of the heavy lifting...though I know it will be need to be re-tweaked because of the new speaker... but it should be pretty close...

That was it! I had it set for Variax... set it to Same and it works great.... As far as the mixer... if I'm sending both signals to one speaker.... does the panning do anything for me? Does it matter if I have both Path A and B fully panned or set to center if the output is going to the same speaker.... Sounds the same regardless of the panning... which would make sense.. as its going to the same speaker... Now I need to budget for the L2t.. Thanks! Bob

The only output that I am using on the POD is L(mono) which is connected to the FXReturn on my amp.... When using Dual Path in the POD... does that necessarilly mean that I have to use both outs L + R and go to 2 different power/speakers? That would mean that I couldn't do Dual Path into one speaker ... in this case a 2x12 hanging off my amp? I thought it was possible to use Dual Path into one power/amp / speaker combination.... Mind you... I'm just testing and experimenting... Ultimately when I get the L2t I would use an output from the POD to it... but for now I'm just trying to see if I can get both tones... my preamp and a modeled amp... both coming out of my 2x12....

What would be a cause of not hearing the output form Path B? I have it set up basically like above... FX Loop in Path A with a NON Selected amp... black amp icon... and in Path B a modeled amp.... The only thing I am getting is the output from Path A... the FXLoop to my amp... nothing from Path B... The amp model is turned up... I adjusted the mixer.. for Path B... Level and panning... Zero Zip Nada.... Its not that its low output... there isn't any... on Path B... . Its just one speaker... my 2x12... So its the 4CM ending up at the FXReturn of my amp.... I hear my amp fine... just not picking up Path B... I tried multiple models... Any ideas..? Thanks, Bob

Do you have an effects loop on your amplifier? What amplifier do you have? Guitar In - Plug your guitar cable in here. If you are using high gain or active pickups you may want to set the Guitar In - switch on the top of your POD HD500 to PAD . There's really no rule, use what sounds best

That looks like it would work...! Great! thanks..

I think this is the answer.... when in doubt... RTFB... Mix: Blends the FX Loop signal that with the POD HD tone signal. When set to 100%, the full POD HD500 signal is fed to the SEND. When set to 0%, your input signal bypasses the FX Loop completely, so that you’ll hear only your POD HD processed signal. Be sure to set the Mix to less than 100%, or toggle the FX Loop Block “Off,†if you do not have a complete connection between the device’s SEND & RETURN jacks, or you’ll hear only silence from the output of POD HD500! So I guess... if you have the mix set to 50%... the signal will go out the FXLoop Send to my preamp.. and then back in..going down Path A... . .... and because I have the FXLoop as the Dual Path origin... the "other" 50% will go down the other path in this case Path B... Now I just need to get a L2t to test it...

So the software only allow 1 FX loop... which makes sense because there is only one set of FXLoop Send and Return..... But it looks like the signal will go out the FXLoop come back into the HD500 and then be split over Path A and Path B.... The problem is that ... that would put my amps preamp signal over Path B ... where I wanted to have an amp model by itself...

Using the 4 cable method... Consider this dual path scenario... I want to be able to have 2 paths .. Path A - just my preamp... and Path B another amp model..... My question is regarding the FX Loop in the HD500.... I can use the FXLoop to send the signal out to my preamp... signal in... FX LoopSend - my preamp input.. my preamp FXSend to HD500 FXLoop Return.... down to the mixer.... no problem.... This is not dual path... just a single path to the mixer... If I use the Dual Path to have both signals... my preamp and a model... How do I split the signal so my guitar signal goes out the physical FX loop on the 500 and also goes to Path B where I can create the model? In other words I want the same signal to be split right before the FXLoop so the FXLoop gets the signal... and Path B gets the signal where I would put the modeled amp.... If I do the split right at the FXLoop ... in HD Edit the FXLoop has the input and then splits the signal into A and B as you would expect.. The way it visually looks now in HD Edit... the signal comes into the FXLoop... and the FXLoop splits the signal into 2 paths... A and B... A would go to my preamp and B would go to the modeled amp.... But, there is only 1 FXSend and 1 FXReturn physically on the HD500.... So my question is ... What is the FX Loop doing when the Dual Channel is created within the FXLoop icon in HDEdit..? When I create the patch to just have my preamp in the signal... the FXLoop sends the signal out the physical FXLoop Send to my preamp... no problem... But now that the FXLoop is the origin of the Dual Path... what is happening with the second path in the FXLoop Icon...? example.. Path A |--------goes out FXSend to my preamp, back in FXReturn to mixer...out | | ..... signal in... FXLoop....| | | Path B |------- any amp model..... ... to mixer ... out.... I'm trying to avoid the 2 preamps in the same signal path.. I want to keep them separate so its not preamp on top of preamp...in one signal path.... So I want to split the signal... or the signal to take 2 paths... 1 out the FX Loop to my preamp... the other path to run down Path B where I can create the model... both ending up at the mixer... With only 1 physical FXLoop on the 500... I don't know how the FXLoop software is looking at Path B.... What I really want logically is this... Path A /FX LoopSend to my preamp... to FXLoopReturn... to mixer to out... / signal in.... Splitter..../ \ \ \Path B to whatever model I create... to mixer to out... Right now this "splitter" is the FXLOOP in the HDEdit software...creating the 2 paths A and B... But as there only 1 physical FXLoop on the HD500.... I don't know how the software is dealing with the Path B as it comes out of the FXLoop Icon in HDEdit.... All I care about is having 2 paths.... one for my preamp and the other for a modeled amp...and the signals are not riding on top of each other... (preamp on top of preamp).... creating the usual muddiness that every talks about like when you send a modeled signal into the front of a combo amp to the amps preamp..... What I think I need to do is to break off the signal right before it hits the FXLoop... sending it to the FXLoop and also down path B...

"The mixer can adjust the output of the right and left output but you'll want to make sure you pan path1 hard left and path 2 hard right to ensure separation." Thanks for the reply. No, I'm just reading learning and seeing whats possible.. I like the L2t because is versatile for so many things... small pa for a lecture, speaker for a outdoor party with mp3 input, and of course guitar/band settings... I'm messing around with HD Edit with the 4CM. In order to use my existing amp as the preamp the patch looks like this... signal in - no effect-no effect-no effect - studio EQ+12db - FXLOOP - no effect - no effect - no amp selected(black amp icon) - mixer - to the output... So when I hit this patch.. the FXLOOP sends the signal out the FXSend to my preamp.. then back in on FXReturn.. and then no effects or amp models selected to the mixer... and then out... to the FXReturn on my amp... so with this patch the HD500 is acting as a soft switch ... routing the signal to my amp with no HD effects or models selected... On a different patch... I take out the FXLOOP so no signal goes to my amps preamp, it goes though the HD500 as it normally would where I can add models or effects or whatever... so back and forth from this Patch 1 to Patch 2 its either just my amp ... or just modeling... and right now the output goes to the power section of my amp and output to the 2x12 cabinet that I have... works great... So then I was wondering.. how to set it up so on the same patch I can have both the sound of my preamp and a modeled amp ... with the sound of my preamp going to the existing 2x12.... and the modeled sound going to the L2t.... I have to mess around with it but I think I need to do the dual path in the HD500 software early in the signal chain...so as to split out the signal for my preamp... on Path A... and on Path B configure it for whatever model I want ... and then bring it back together in the mixer at the end.... something like this... signal in to HD500... Dual Path A-B split out... on Path A... FXLoopSend to my preamp... FXLoopReturn .. then no effects - to the mixer .. and out on L(mono) to my amps FXReturn... On Path B... select a model ... and then straight thru to the mixer and out R(mono) to the L2t.... "The mixer can adjust the output of the right and left output but you'll want to make sure you pan path1 hard left and path 2 hard right to ensure separation." So then I was wrong with what I said earlier... ?? The mixers function is to adjust the 2 sides of the signal A and B... ... so that is not? related to the Dual Path scenario? but to the outputs on the HD500 R(mono) and L(mono) ... So picture dual path with a Fender and a Marshall.... what is the mixer doing at that point... Is it adjusting the output of the amps on A and B in the mixer...? Or is it adjusting the output on R(mono) and L(mono) ? Or is that the same thing? I might be confusing what the mixer does in the mixers Main Mix Path A and Path B... I'm looking at a patch I made with a single amp path... and in the mixers Main Mix ... Path A and Path B are both active and configurable... so that tell me that in that case its talking about R(mono) and L(mono) outs... In a Dual amp Path ... same thing... both A and B are settable in the mixer... So the mixer's Path A and Path B is referencing ... what level do you want each out to be..? How does one know which output R - L is which amp in a dual amp config...? Thanks for the reply....

Hi, I was able to make the 4 cable method work ... going back and forth between my amps preamp and the HD500 being the preamp...just with one stomp... works great ... with a little volume tweaking...That's using the amps power section... and either the Blackstar preamp or the HD500 preamp driving a 2x12 cabinet... Let's say I get a L2t... If I'm connecting the 500's R (mono) to the Blackstar amps FXreturn... and L (mono) to the L2t input.... THen I will get sound out of both... whether I am using the Blackstar preamp.... or the HD500 to do the modeling.... whatever comes out of the 500's R mono and L mono goes to whatever you plug R and L into.... So when the Blackstar preamp is selected... both speakers play it... When the HD500 is doing the modeling ... both speakers play it... Can you think of any issues with this? I guess it would be ... just make it work... (tweak it) on a patch by patch basis... Oh.. almost forgot... The MIXER.... Path A and Path B... that only pertains if I have a Dual Path model set up.. correct? In other words... Path A and Path B (in the mixer)... has nothing to do with R(mono) ... and L(mono) Said another way... "I can't use the mixer Path A and Path B to tweak the volume levels of R and L... correct? If I'm not using the Dual Path feature in the HD500... then Path B in the mixer is a mute point... correct...? So then I wouldn't use the mixer to adjust the outputs to the Blackstar amp and the L2t.... In this case ... the increasing of the level on Path A would impact both outputs... R and L jointly... so the output to the blackstar and the L2t go up and down together.... Any volume tweaks would have to be done on the individual equipment... either the amp or the volume control on the L2t.... (?) Did any of that make sense? Basically I'm trying to see how by adding a L2t to the Blackstar and the HD500... how does that impact the issues of configuration... limitation... etc... Thanks, Bob

Thank You! I found this on the 4 cable method explained pdf... this is exactly what I want to do.... "If your Multi-FX has amp modelling built in, you can choose to use the modelled pre-amp instead of the Amp’s pre-amp. Better still, you can switch between the modelled and amplifier pre-amps by switching the Multi-FX FX loop off and the Amp modelling on. This can all be configured at the Multi-FX and switched in/out like any other patch." Yeah all I want to do is use the modeling in the HD500 but be able to disengage it and then use the preamp in my amp as the tone... Sweet ... I'll play with this ...this weekend... Thank you!