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If it were only so simple: I am afraid that this is a (new) machine that has never until today had Helix Native on it. This is EXACTLY what is being installed. I just don't understand it at all - although yes: M1. I was reading it earlier.Thank you though. T. EDIT: I have it working - I cleaned it all out AGAIN, and reinstalled - this time it works Fine. I noticed there were a couple of mounted dmg's that did not show up in the finder "side Bar" to the left, but only show in the finder "proper". Anyway - my brain REALLY hertz now, as I can not explain the above images. WHY??WHY?? Time to clone a copy of my ssd. Thanks any and all who were reading this. T. Xx

That maybe - BUT VERSION 3.5 IS VERSION 1. I can't believe it, but it is true. I have even downloaded V1 to see if 3.5 is an update file only (??? is it? 59 mb?) - and it is exactly the same install size (24.1mb) - not uninstalled size) It looks like the wrong file has been placed there. and I am gutted - because the ticket I put in is going to take a few days. IF I get a response. Can anyone help me? I need the current 3.5 installer - I am on an M1. Blimey Line 6. The VST3/ AU is dated 11 August 2017! Can anyone Help Me? It is a bit urgent. Thank You anyway all of you. Here are some pics: T Xx

Yes - I think Native's IR system could certainly be improved. Substantially. As could there browsing and tagging in general. I am always careful. Sometimes I Use nadIR by ignite amps, sometimes Native - but I always check (and have found it to be wrong). WAIT...........OK: I think I have sussed it out: After you made me think about different apps like Reaper and Logic etc. I FINALLY GOT A VERY CLOSE - (not indistinguishable but..) - CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME TONES AND BLOCKS: Using the dry signal and the processed signal for HX Stomp, I bought it all in to logic, when I bought in NATiVE - in the settings for Hardware emulation, I set it to HX STOMP AND MADE SURE I WAS USING THE STOMP PRESET IMPORTED INTO NATIVE - THIS MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. I had not been doing that - I had been leaving Native as "Default" . Changing to stomp must change some of the blocks somehow, even though the blocks are the "same" etc Interestingly there ARE differences, which is still annoying, but the sound similar enough, the different DAW's all have different sound too. I could not do this in Reaper, I simply don't know it, and I found it too hard to read anything in the DAW! I was thinking - If I send you the two Audio Files and the preset - would you try it? when/ if you have time of course, not a big deal just plonk plonk play, delete. I would be very grateful. This has really done my head in and would love to hear your interpretation. . I am hoping it doesn't say this in the manual, as I would be very embarrased. Thank you very much in helping. Here are the files if you wish. (Form Mac & clean). T. Da Filez.zip

Interesting : Simply Put: I had the dry DI from Stomp as a track in the DAW. Rather than run Helix Native on that track - I sent That DI unprocessed track to another Track which had the Native VST on it. That's all. I did this as I wanted to have a lot of control over the GAIN of the DI going into the Native VST. It makes no difference anyway. It is exactly the same. There is certainly no errors in the track set up, you simply have to trust me on that. you give me another Idea - I will try it in Logic and ProTools. I don't think it's DAW dependant though. I have Reaper too, still on Evaluation! Thanks for all of this. T.

>>EDIT<< Hi phil_m OK - I have done as suggested and there is the same problem with Native. Here is what I did. 1. Used the HX Stomp as an Interface: Recoded Preset Output and Dry Output at the same time. 2. Reamped the Dry Signal back into the Stomp - into the preset: Sound = The same as my playing live through the Stomp. Excellent and good to know. 3. Sent the recorded dry signal to a group track with Helix Native = same thin weekly scream sound. Something not right. Controlled the gain staging - just becomes "more Dry". I have no Idea, and am pretty bemused by this, I keep reading "it should be the same" but I don't think that is from experience. I should probably take this up with line 6. Otherwise they have a lot of money from me, for something that I probably won't be able to use. Thank you - anyone else want to chip in ? Phil_m? Thanks T.

I should have mentioned that the pod is going into the UAD as is the guitar for the native, they are unity as much as I could get. I can try what you are suggesting, But Why would I ever want to use the pod as an interface when I have the UAD? That seems like a backward step. I will certainly check the levels again. Managing an interested toddler and an email AND hold a guitar..... Why is the first tone much closer though? Thanks for you reply though, I will do what you say. T.

Hello, this is my first post here , having bought an HX Stomp, that I am very happy with and the Helix Native that seems to have "issues", Let's start with my setup: Helix Native 1.82 / Helix2.80 compatible Macbook Pro, Mojave 10.14.6 Intel Core i5 - 2.4 GHz RAM: 8 GB UAD apollo | twin a small set up but - this still comes in ok for running Helix and Cubase Pro 10.5.5, set up correctly. 1. Helix plugin window closes without warning, upon opening in Cubase 10.5.+ Utterly frustrating. There is no pattern and no sign of how long the Native plugin will stay open for. Often it's simply Open>Close>Open>Close>Open>Close>Open... then at some point it may actually stay open for enough time to edit something. Totally Random, several installs, cleanups = no real difference. I have read that there seems to be ongoing problems with Cubase and Native, just from the BugFixes alone listed on the updates, well it appears to still have issues. 2. Huge difference between the same presets on the Native compared to the Stomp - (unless it's a line 6 preset): Yes, I realise this is a topic discussed here somewhat. I follow the advise of Line 6 and my Instrument / Host in levels (Native) are around -12db to -8db, and correctly gain staged from the Guitar>UAD. It's Fizz - a massive High End Boost from somewhere. I enclose 4 files of short mp3's: 1A. FX Stereo Swirl. HX Native set to "Stomp Emulation". 1B Same default preset from the HX Stomp You can hear differences - the Helix is Brighter - but it is straight from the the host, no cables, etc. BUT quite liveable. The Stomp is narrower in Soundstage, but the sound is also denser. So good So far, though would be nice if they were "indistinguishable". WARNING TURN VOLUME DOWN FOR 2A Own Hammer Simple Helix Native (Stomp Emulation).mp3 The next 2 files: WARNING TURN VOLUME DOWN FOR 2A Own Hammer Simple Helix Native (Stomp Emulation).mp3 2A Own Hammer Simple Helix Native (Stomp Emulation).mp3 2B Own Hammer Simple Stomp.mp3 are a preset I have made. I have made it on both Stomp and Helix Native discreetly, I have also loaded the Stomp version into the Helix Native. The results are the same: The difference is obvious. The IR's I use are from 'Own Hammer' & 'Lancaster Audio' , and the path is very simple: IN (Noise Gate ON) > Line 6 Bandonk > IR. Well There you have my long boring 1st Post. Tell me - Am I expecting too much here? Disregarding the output volume - the inputs are all about the same - certainly close enough for Rock and Roll: about -10Db.. Am I whinging? Am I mistakenly under the impression that the Stomp is seperate sound wise from the Helix and the Native etc? Especially considering how close the inbuilt presets are? Also I am a double Bassist. Don't shoot my guitar - or me - I am only learning. If you have any thoughts about any of this please respond. Thanks for reading. T x. Reference Files.zip