AMountain

I agree in that detail: Thank you too for this explanation. I am not that long part of the "family" that i would know that. But it sounds reasonable and probably the process is the way you described it. What matters your last paragraph: I agree. Me too i fight with the pretty limited DSP-power. Bought because of that a LT and run it behind the Floor. This one i use purely for the effects before the amps [in that matter, again the link on ideascale (which i consider more important than Global eq for the LT-link to the PC), please vote all ; https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/H-Floor-Stomp-up-down-up-down-switches-working-inside-a-preset/1008717-23508} and the LT purely for the amps (and anything behind). And alas, STILL i cannot run my dream-rig (three or even four bridged Plexis with their 3 or 4 double-cabs, a rig that i used a long time in real life), so yes, i share completely your reservation in that matter. ... Waiting for the Hercules from line 6 (a new 'Super-Helix' with 4 or 6 DSPs)...

If the number of the votes is the only thing that line 6 takes in count for to ponder the ideas there, then this vote-system there is unjust and IMHO not intelligent: How for example in this precise case here shall the few Powercab- & DT-owners ever reach there significant vote-results? We are a minority. On 1000 Helix (or POD) - owners, there are perhaps 50 Powercab- plus DT-owners. Some Helix or Pod ideas have more than 4000 votes, we Powercab-people can be happy when our problems (and the ideas for to resolve them) ever get 30 votes, if at all. We'll never be considered this way.

Yes, i have the same problem, many presets only because the Global-Eq is not working for us. And rapidly, the preset-folders become ridiculously filled and totally chaotic and complicated. Thank you for the vote.

The stereo-Powercab is boomy too. And there i like the L6-link because it's one cable (not two). Because of the boomyness, i put it usually one foot from the floor plus its adjustable low cut mostly at 340Hz (imagine). I think their idea was a multi-purpose-cab (you-tube-music, guitar, etc.); a pure guitar-cab-conception would have been better. Perhaps i'll sell it and buy me something more specific, pure FR-guitar-cab and an external power-amp, something like the Matrix GT1000. Would have the more the advantage i could use my Marshall-cabs when i have presets with Marshalls, then i would have more DSP for FX. What reminds me another idea: Seen the price of the Powercab, they (Line 6) could really have implemented speaker-outs for to connect real brand-cabs directly to the amp in the Powercab. I mean, usually, every guitarist has his preferred cabs, still the Helix plus the Powercab would be there for 30 other amps. ... :) already pondering if i sell it or if i drill some holes in it...

Thank you for the link, but i already had in my first post here linked the mattering idea. Perhaps i should have highlighted it... So, again: https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Global-EQ-on-L6-Link/912758-23508 All who think this idea has merit, please vote there for it. Edit: Taking the opportunity for some publicity for another idea, which is from me (in contrary to the above one): https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/H-Floor-Stomp-up-down-up-down-switches-working-inside-a-preset/1008717-23508 The idea is the use of the H.Floor as pure pedalboard. Up to 32 FX-blocks can be loaded in 1 preset, but it's not possible to view them in the scribble-scripts nor to (dis-)engage them with the foot; if the up/down-footswitches would too work inside a preset, then all 32 effects would be to see in packages of 8 in the scribble-scripts & (dis-)engageable with the foot. Then there would be 4 up-down-functions: Preset, Bank, Snapshot, Stomp. Really perfect it would then be when these 4 up/down-modes could be changed with the mode-switch or by some other footswitch-trick (and not only in Global Settings). Interesting for all guitarists with real amps (use of the H.Floor as one of the biggest pedalboards of the world: up to 32 effects in one box, all visible in the scribble-scripts and dis-/engageable with the foot), but too in a usual preset it would be very useful to have access with the footswitches to all blocks there. Great feature missing!

THIS explanation makes sense to me. For the case it is this way (Global EQ working at a location after the junction of the D-A-conversion-path), then or it will remain impossible for ever to adjust the L6-Link with it, or there is a way to install another path that puts this junction BEHIND the Global EQ.

Thanks, but no, does not make sense, not more than all what you said before my entry (on the sense of the Global EQ and for what it is not made as cause that it is not running with the digital connections). Thank you too for quoting the chief-product-architect, but it's sufficient to read the manual; page 61 (Helix 3.0-manual): <<The Helix device’s Global EQ has three fully parametric bands plus variable low- and high-cut-filters and is used for compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio. Global EQ is applied to all setlists and presets and can be heard from the 1/4" outputs, XLR outputs, or both. NOTE: Global EQ is never heard from Send, Digital, or USB outputs.>> The note is important, i will return to it in a few moments. As i read, the Global EQ has it's fix percentage of DSPpower, independent if on or off (so it does not make sense to turn it off for to have more DSPpower) -- if i understood well your quote of Mr.Klein, this is contradictive to his claim, but however, doesn't matter, since it's not the point of my "problem". So, explicitly, i didn't speak about the use of a DAW [the Powercab212+ is not a DAW, it is an active Line6 - FRFR-stereo-speaker cabinet (alas it has no eq, no way to adjust Bass, Middle, Treble, only deep in the menu, there's Low- and High-cut)], but about the use of the Helix and this precise line6-stereocab on stage, or while jamming (without any PC/laptop: No DAW, no Helix Native, no HX-Edit), thus exactly the case the Global EQ in the Helix is made for (!!!). I should perhaps mention here that Line 6 sells the Line6-Powercab as the ultimative speaker-supply for the Helix and recommends the use of the L6-link (which is digital). - First for higher tone-quality, since it avoids the D-A-conversion at Helix-Out and then the A-D-return-conversion at the Powercab-In. - And secondly for to be able to select speaker-sims of the Powercab via the Helix. So, Line 6 Helix-> the famous L6-link-cable-> Line 6 Powercab. That shall be the perfect thing. Alas, alas, they did not tell me when they sold me this package for much momey that the Global EQ of the Helix is not working this way. That says that there is no possibility to adjust the Helix-Powercab-entity for "compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio (~manual)". You are f*cked what matters this point when you buy the Helix & its "perfect" cab-complement (/irony off), the Powercab212+ (and too with the Powercab 112+ monocab). It's really a shame that Line 6 does not offer the Global Eq for the L6-Link, even not in the 3.0.update. Then they should at least have installed an EQ in the Powercab, at least for Bass, Middle and High. Do you see the entire contradiction now? I would have done better to buy for essentially less money instead of the Line6Powercab (i have the more expensive stereo-cab) six (6 !!!) active Alto or Headrush FRFR-speakers, or a high-quality FRFR-guitar cab/speaker from Friedman, Kemper, BlueAmps, Dynacord, Redsound, etc.. So, practically, i run in the Helix (with two parallel paths) 4 amp-cab-sims parallely. When i put there the more an eq-block behind, the DSP-power is out: No way to add an effect (not one). Of course, i am not a total dumbhead. So i bought that sh*t and now i have to handle that sh*t and to see how to resolve my problem ("compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio") and what i did is to connect the Helix and the Powercab with two instrument-cables (stereo) and now i could use the Helix's Global EQ, but since this one is mono, i inserted there the Boss 200-EQ-pedal (a stereo eq-pedal). This way, i can at least insert one effect-pedal in my preset. Alas i have now too the A-D-conversation plus its return-conversion in my path. And last but not least, it is robbing me the possibility to manage the Powercab-settings via the Helix - one of the causes i bought it at all -. Do you understand my anger in this point? This Powercab 212+ is an expensive cab and it should be perfect when Line 6 claims it would be the perfect speaker-supplement for the Helix. And then that: No Eq for rapid local adjustments - nor at the Powercab nor is the Helix's Global Eq working with the Powercab -. If one puts preference on this point, i would recommend him (/her) not to buy the Line6-Powercab, but some high-quality product from another brand (or 6 Headrush or Alto). And i really hope Line 6 finds the fault here and adds in the next update the functionality of the Global EQ for the L6-link. Just for the Line6-Powercab-users.

Hello brue58ski No, with tube(aka valve)amps for example, it's the reverse and solely in a very little ratio (1.5-2 : 1, not more): So to a tubeamp, never connect speakers with higher impedance, if at all, only with lower impedance and only in 1.5 (~2) : 1 ratio. So: 12 Ohm speaker and 16 Ohm-tubeamp should be ok, 8 Ohm speakers with 16 Ohm tubeamp is casually possible but risky (!!!) and 4 Ohm speakers with a 16 Ohm-tubeamp will destroy the amp, and too to run (crank) the amp without speakers will destroy it. And too never connect speakers with higher impedance than the output-impedance to a tubeamp! [the three no-gos with tube-amps, what matters impedance-(mis)match] What you said is valid only for most modern, common home- & car-solidstateamps, there, in reasonable ranges (usually 1:4), speakers with more Ohm can be connected. Independent of the question of damaging the equipment, purely soundwise, one should consider that all the filters in an amp are designed for a specific voltage and when this one changes because of not-exactly-matched impedances, too the working-range & the application-area of the filters change. With common home-&car-applications, this may or may not end in good sound, but specially in the space of FR (flat range)-applications, it is selfexplaining that this is absolutely contra-indicated. But even with solidstate-amps, what you say is not a rule: Some have to be treated like tubeamps, the Hellborg power amp for example, others demand identic or permit only slightly higher impedances (1:2), like the already mentioned class-d-guitaramp 'SeymourDuncan pro stage 170' (it's made for 4 Ohm, 8 Ohm speakers are allowed to be connected, but 16 Ohm-speakers not). I read the explanations for both cases, but sorry, i simply lack the technical knowledge for to have understood & memorized anything in one read and too i do not remember where i read that, so i will refrain here from trying to explain it (please google yourself if interested). The best is to remind the rule (the impedances should be identic) ...and in case one wants to know if one of the exceptions is valid for the own special case, it's recommended to ask / to research.

*whistling* Sorry, but i must copy&paste that, on the Matrix GT: We've also added a dedicated output for bridged mode, so no special cables are necessary to deliver the full mono power of the amplifier into any impedance of 8 ohms or over. The GT1000FX still has the same ability to handle all impedances 4 ohms and over including mis-matched loads giving you the widest choice when using your favourite cabs and speakers. Running a 2x12 cab with an 8 ohm and 16 ohm speaker in mono or running a 4 ohm cab on one side and a 16 ohm cab on the other in stereo mode is no problem for the GT1000FX! The amplifier features extensive protection circuitry ensuring it is protected from loudspeaker short circuits and miswiring as well as indicators for protection, bridged-mode and signal lights showing the output signal strength. The Matrix GT1000FX takes the Matrix line of products to a whole new level, way beyond 11. (https://usa.matrixamplification.com/gt-1000-fx-1u.html) Well, well, is that too possible with the Palmer, does somebody have practical experience with it? I believe to remind i read it has limiters, providing clipping.

:D We shouldn't speak (/write) at the same time, waymda. Me too, i am surfing through Mr.Googles limited & "optimized" (cough cough) spaces but have not found much. To suppose that specially in line 6 -Forums with the helix could be more people that tried that was IMHO not completely stupid. The more the fractalaudio forum, special axe-forum, and yea, the Kemper-Forum. I too tried to get an answer in the Marshall-forum. Back to the actual topic. Beside the Palmer, i found meanwhile the Matrix GT1000, 2x 150W @ 16 Ohm, so i could - would have to - connect two cabs. And it costs the double of the Palmer. So the Palmer is the only my demands suiting amp i found until now. Still i would be interested to know if there are people that have experiences with that amp (or the Matrix), or with alternative amps.

I want it loud, yes, of course. And i have several tube-amps at home (50W and 100W), they have FX-loop where i can enter with the Helix if i want to put a pre-amp-simulation before and run my Marshall-cab this way. Class-d -guitar-amps are extremely light weight, extremely efficient and if made for this layout, extremely good for neutral sound (FR) ---- I do not buy a Helix for to put then some common amp behind that will colour the sound. As alreadymentioned, i have several tube-amps, can enter there in FX if i want to. So thank you very much for your offer, but i do not need your stereo valve poweramp. What i am looking for and what i want is minutiously described in my first post, please read it twice and trice if it must be before to answer. I know the laws of Ohm. And you cannot do this with any amp. For example, the SeymourDuncan powerstage 700 (guitar-class-d - amp) is permitted for 4 and 8 Ohm, explicitly not for 16. There are technical causes for that, i read them, but i am not technician enough for to have understood and memorized it in one read: Has technically to do with the chips, the voltage, and sonically with some filters that are apt for 8 but wouldn't be perfect for 16 Ohm. On the other hand, there is the Palmer Macht 402 guitar-class-d-amp which explicitly (manual) is permitted to run at 16 Ohm: Or with 2x50W or switched to "bridged" 1x200W. Now, 200 W on 100W speakers: I read somewhere - but did not understand why - that class-d amps shall have the double Wattage of the speakers. If somebody can (dis-/)approve and explain that beside question shortly, s/he is welcome to do it. But i know that it is all in general better (if you listen loud) to run a bigger amp with more little speakers than the inverse: Better a 100W amp with 50W speakers than a 50W-amp with 100W-speakers. Of course, you have to know where you stop to turn louder. But i always have had stronger amps than speakers, at home and in my car. So i am pretty sure i will not burn my holy Marshall-cab with this Palmer Macht 402, i will know when it's loud (as old Marshall SLP 1959 user, there is no question about that). But the Palmer is the only my demands suiting amp i found until now. And i would be interested to know if there are people that have experiences with that amp, or with alternative amps.

Thank you for your idea, but i like the sound and the feel of my amps & cabs at 16 Ohm. Out of question to change that. So, simple or complicated - it's more complicated to rewire the cabs than to buy an amp that suits the demand -, it's not the answer because that simply wasn't the question. The question was and is precisely if there are people here that can recommend class-d-amps that give 100-200W at 16 Ohm. I found one meanwhile, the Palmer Macht 402, it gives 200W mono at 16 Ohm. The price is reasonable. But i wait if some people can show me alternatives and i am too hoping that people can tell me their practical impressions, soundwise.

No, because i have my 100W-SLPs to which the cab belongs (which i want at any time to connect and run too). So i will not start to open the cab for to change there the wiring of the speakers. Or i get a class d - amp that works with at least 100W at 16 Ohm, or i don't do it.

Well, i do not think that it is requiered to open a new thread for any bs-problem. Scusi, but as ignorant, i cannot estimate in any case if a problem i have is worth a new thread, or if it is just another aspect in an already existing thread. Nor can i estimate if it's stupid or intelligent question. And my question here is why i cannot use the in the Helix that they sold me with the perfect cab for it (powercab 212+ with l6-link-cable to Helix) the global eq just for to eq the entire stuff rapidly to a room? A short answer on the topic would have IMHO been more meaningful than eventually questionable psychologic analyses on me. You could in your infinite wisdom also have recommended me to open a new thread with that topic if this problem is worth it. You could also have told me: Stupid dumkopf, it is possible, you were to blind to discover it and/or too lazy to read well the manual, go in Global settings and make this and that.

I want to connect my Marshall-Cab with 4 Greenbacks (100W, 16 Ohm) to the Helix. What i need is a class d amp with 100-200W mono @ 16 Ohm. I was told 200W would be better with Class d amps, but i didn't understand the explanation. However, i find many of such amps for 4 and 8 Ohm (like Seymour Duncan Power Stage 170) and as good as none that provide 100-200W at 16 Ohm. So i hoped to find here people that already did that and can recommend a precise amp.

I don't know if that was aimed at my comment, but i and all people with the Powercab 212+ (or two PC112+) connected via L6 need it exactly for that: I use in the Powercab212+ the FRFR flat raw-setting for the Cabs in Helix and alas there's STILL no way to rapidly adjust the equipment to a room (or to ear-fatigue) and that's what the Global Eq is made for, i agree. I couldn't believe this is missing. I wanted then to put the idea on the board, but researched first if it is already existing, and yes. So please, all that think this idea has merit, go vote: https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Global-EQ-on-L6-Link/912758-23508 ...returning in my grave... these livings, tss...

Of course it's needed, all people with the Powercab 212+ (or two PC112+) connected via L6: I use in the Powercab the FRFR flat raw-setting for the Cabs in Helix. Alas there's no way to rapidly adjust the equipment to a room (or to ear-fatigue) and that's what the Global Eq is made for. I couldn't believe this is missing. In my quest, i found this thread, alas no solution nor explaining answer. I wanted then to put the idea on the board, but researched first if it is already existing, and yes. So please, all that think this idea has merit, go vote: https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Global-EQ-on-L6-Link/912758-23508

Thank you. I work with "usual" presets, but i also have real amps where i want to use the H.Floor as pure pedalboard. I could effectively store 25 effectpedals in one preset (then DSP-power run out), so even 14 pedals accessible is not resolving my problem here. Actually, i have produced of this one pedalboard-preset six different presets for to have at least a basic access to those pedals i need in a specific situation. So i must have the up/down-access for to rapidly change presets and thus cannot use the 10 effect-mode. The snapshots are already used for single tweakings of certain effects. So i followed PierMs hint to publish my idea. << Up to 32 effectblocks (DSP-limited) can be loaded in 1 preset, but it's not possible to view them in the scribble-scripts nor to (dis-)engage them with the foot (one must use mouse & Hx-Edit, impossible when playing). If the up/down-footswitches would work too inside a preset, then all 32 effects would be to see in packages of 8 in the scribble-scripts & (dis-)engageable with the foot. That would significantly enlarge the application-possibilities, making the Hlx.Floor too interesting for all guitar-players with real amps (use of the Hlx. as one of the biggest pedalboards of the world: up to 32 effects in one box, all visible in the scribble-scripts and dis-/engageable with the foot). But too in a usual preset it would be very useful to have access with the footswitches to all blocks there. Great feature missing! Then there would be 4 up-down-functions: Preset, Bank, Snapshot, Stomp. Really perfect it would then be when these 4 up/down-modes could be changed with the mode-switch or by some other footswitch-trick (and not only in Global Settings). >> I discovered that there is democracy (people vote for the best ideas). The best-voted ideas have gathered more than 2500 votes. I beg you all who think my idea has merit to go there and vote for it: https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/H-Floor-Stomp-up-down-up-down-switches-working-inside-a-preset/1008717-23508

except you bought a 212+Powercab with l6-link-cable. Then you must waste precious DSP for one or two eq-blocks (if you work with parallel paths). Or buy two instrument cables and insert there a stereo-eq-pedal. No, global eq for l6 is required, also PC-owners are humans.

If one knows to play guitar (there are ~120+ places with individual sounds), one has IMHO too the capacity to remind in which of the 4 scroll-stages which effects are; effectively, we already do that by reminding the content of the 2 or 3 presets' banks around the one preset we just use. And it's more easy for most to remind gear like pedals and amps and where they are than to identify cryptic names of presets and localize those. However, as you say, "unfortunately not available", so any further discussion or explanation is futile. Thank you too for the link, i will place there my request. Thank you all for your feedback, i appreciated it very much, and i can now stop the quest (and play guitar instead tonight). PS: If anybody has a better or alternative solution for to resolve the issue with the given possibilities (than the two proposed here), you are more than welcome to share it here, i would really appreciate.

Using snapshots here would really not come out to the same (and apart of that, i already use them for individual settings of the single effects / blocks, and there are only 8 snapshots per preset). I want simply be able to scroll through all my effects in a preset (which can be up to 32 effects in one preset, i got 25, then the dsp-power run out) in steps of (4 or) 8 effects with the up/down-footswitches. It seems a totally basic application to me. As i already said, initially, i thought the bank-up/down-function would be that, but it turned out that it is the preset-up/down-function, solely on a slightly bigger scale. I could do without. But i do not know how to do without the described scrolling-function inside of a preset through all existing blocks there; to use the mouse in hx-edit for to click them on or off is the only way i found, but that's an unrealistic technique when playing.

Yes, obviously, there are 12 footswitches on the Helix (two more than i have fingers at my hands...), of which - in the stomp-mode - max. 8 (or 10, if set this way in global settings, then the up/down-function disappears), assigned to blocks/fx, are shown at the same time in the scribble-strips of the footswitch-section. My question was if there is no "up/down"-function inside of a preset, in a way one could switch from the first 8 blocks/ effects to the next 8 blocks and the next 8, and the next 8 (since theoretically, i can put up to 32 effects in one preset using the more the super-serial signal-paths; in my preset, i could this way load 25 effects, then the dsps said stop). I spend the whole night digging for the answer and it seems to me that "no, one cannot switch to the next 8 blocks by the up/down-footswitches". This would be a good function when one wants to use the H.Floor purely as pedalboard for effects (and i am pretty sure that many people would appreciate such a function). I don't know if it would at all technically be possible to exchange the bank-up/down-function with such a "row - up/down"-function inside of a preset, but if it is, then i would politely beg (i am on my knees) the people from line 6 to work that out and to offer it in an update as alternative option. To me, the bank- and the preset-up/down-function are so similar that i would not miss the bank-up/down-function, in the contrary, i would much more appreciate a function that permits me to scroll inside of a preset through all effects there; ...it's really outlandish while playing to switch them on and off with the help of the mouse in HX-edit, and that's (until now) alas the only way i found for to do it. I could offer in exchange to lend them a limited edition Hendrix-handwired 100W SLP with the corresponding cabinets for to mike that and make a digital amp-clone for one of the next updates.

Hello - I want to use my Helix floor as pedalboard with 16 effects, which of course i want to switch on and off rapidly - as if there would be 16 pedals in front of me -. I can assign the 8 blocks/fx of the upper row, thus the work-area of one DSP, to the 8 footswitches i see, but as next step i want to assign the 8 blocks/fx of the bottom-row too to 8 footswitches, solely not by double assignment, but in a way that i can change the view of the 8 upper row-blocks to the view of the 8 bottom row-blocks with the help of the up/down footswitch. Can anybody help me? It seems to me such a basic issue (in fact, to use the Hlx.Floor as 16 fx pedalboard in front of my amps was one of the applications why i bought it at all) that i wonder if i'm just too stupid and blind to see the solution, or if this possibility really doesn't exist ---- then, @line6, this would be a request for a next update (3.02 or so): You could, what matters me, exchange it with the bank-up/down-option (which is IMHO so similar to the preset-up/down-option that i could do without and would not miss it). And for the case that this is at all technically possible and you really start to work out this option i talk about, then also take in regard the super-serial routing with up to theoretically 32 blocks/fx (as the manual says). It would be very useful then to group them in 4 "rows" of 8 blocks/fx, all switchable by a "row - up/down"-option (instead of the "bank - up/down"-option). ...You could offer a switch or a chosing-option where one can choose if one wants the bank-up/down-option or the pedalboard-row-up-down-option. PS: Sorry for my poor English, it's not my native language. I hope you can understand what i wanted to express.

<<[...] If you have not already try this simple experiment. Select a new/blank preset, add a volume block(don't assign anything), now add a wah block(don't assign anything). Now stand up and apply a fair amount of pressure to the expression pedal's switch in the toe-down position; press hard. You should see the highlight on the scribble strip above your expression pedal move from 'EXP 2' to 'EXP 1'. If you watch the blocks they should be switching from activating the volume to activating the wah. [...}>> Thank you for the idea with the blank preset - there, it functioned and switched between Exp1 & Exp2. :) Perfect. Don't know what i had done wrong before; however, i had to readjust some settings in Preferences (back to toe-switch) that i had changed in my quest, had to assign in the preset the wah back to Exp1, and now the switch functions too in this preset in which i had introduced the wah. <3

Good question. I have them too, searched, but found nothing about these two (with the same name, both simply 'unity', not 'uniti01' and 'unity02', when exported to the PC, they show to have the same file-size, length, etc.) than several people that asked in several threads about them, but nobody had an answer. So, waiting with you for an answer.