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Two M-Audio EXP (cable originally hardwired). Shielded cable? It's not on a cable transporting a musical signal. But perhaps your shielded cable gave the connection another capacitance. I read in other threads here in the forum that other people suspected the capacitance-measuring of the unit (in the EXP-entry) to be the cause of the fluttering in PEM-mode with external EXPs. But i think: It's not only fluttering, it's sometimes real jumping, from the left side of the value to the extreme right side, so really 80, 90% of the value-range. Very disagradable. Happens too then when one uses the PEM-FSs (value minus and value plus) for to adjust the mattering parameter-value in little steps: I tap 15 times for to go down from lets say 32ms to 13ms and whamm, at 17ms it jumps then suddenly to 1900ms on the right side. Very, very annoying, extremely annoying. PEM would be wonderful if that would not happen. I suspected the volume (supposedly 115db+) to be the culprit, causing all connected EXPs to vibrate and when they all are allowed the simultaneous access to the setting of one parameter-value, i could more easily imagine that this influences the unit to measure uneven and changing values. Too perhaps there is an "endless loop-effect" (akin to the CC-loops one can produce). The more: It is too not every time that the fluttering and jumping happens, sometimes it functions well. Makes it more difficult to diagnose the culprit. Whatever may be the cause for the fluttering&jumping, i cannot see the sense to have simultaneously 4 tweaking tools on one parameter. In PEM, obviously i stand in front of my Floor (not where the external EXPs are). And my Floor, when i have extrn.EXPs connected, has an onboard-EXP that is then switched to EXP1. Why please should more pedals be allowed the access??? Waiting that somebody from L6 explains the meaning of that "program-design"-question plus the possibilities behind. However, for to return to the topic of this thread, the two questions there: Your answer seems to express 2 things: - On the one hand it is not a bug [that the unit assigns automatically all connected EXPs to the PEM], but the program is whyever consciously designed that way. and - On the other hand, there is no option (nor in Global settings nor in HX-Edit) to influence these multiple EXP-assignments to the 'Pedal Edit mode' (and to assign only one EXP to it). Is that correct?

Sincerly, you recommend to spend several hundred dollars (and then having to carry & install even more stuff) instead of my 15 cent - prolongation of the bypass-switch that makes a footswitch of it ???

Well, meanwhile there's version 3.1 and still the up-down-function for inside a preset is not offered *sigh*. I encountered meanwhile a provisional solution for to achieve my goal to engage ALL effects in a preset with the feet, not elegant, but cheap and functional: With double-coated scotch-tape, i glued a 3/4'' rubber cylinder on the "bypass"-knob of the unit: It's higher than the scroll-button and thus easily to tap with the foot. While playing, i activate with the foot the "pedal edit mode" [hold FS6 for 2sec], choose the effect i want to engage and then hit with the foot the rubber-cylinder i glued on the bypass-knob: On/off. ...Positive beside effect: It helps too while tweaking in the "Pedal Edit mode", because one can this way, for to compare the sound with the bypassed state of the mattering effect, (dis-/)engage the mattering effect without to have to leave the "pedal edit mode", too extremely useful. Not perfect, but at least there is a way to engage all (max 32) effects in a preset with the foot. However, still hoping that line6 will with the next update introduce the up-down-function for inside a preset.

This is, as far as i understand, the common Bypass/Controler Assign - pane for blocks. I talk about the EXP-assignments of the "Pedal Edit Mode" (see manual). There is, beside the editing via Laptop or PC, with the pure unit without UI, for to use Digital Igloo's words, the normal preset editing (to activate by touching with the bare hands the assigned FS of an effect, and then turning the little knobs) and the Pedal Edit mode (editing purely with the feet, to activate by pressing FS6 for 2sec). This PEM is not a block. Thus, as far as i understand, there is not the common "Bypass/Controler Assign"-pane in HX Edit. However the unit is assigning any EXP to the PEM (EXP1, EXP2, and if connected, too EXP3). When one works only with the onboard-pedal (no external EXP connected), EXP1 and EXP2 are both automatically activated with the PEM, but because they are naturally divided, they do not interfere one with the other and the tweaking is exact, no fluttering, no jumping. The problem starts in the moment an external pedal is connected, : Because any EXP is automatically assigned to the PEM (pedal edit mode), they run now parallely and interfere one with the other and that results in fluttering and real jumping (from 10% to 90% for example). And if a second external EXP is connected (EXP3), it becomes even worse, because the unit assigns all three to the PEM and they interfere all three. I don't find a way to tell the Floor-unit to assign only one EXP to the PEM (or none, and tweaking the parameters purely with the footswitches). It must exist, because it is unlogic that all connected pedals are automatically active on one parameter. Or it is bug which would have to be corrected with a next update.

Hello rd2rk I do not find a "Bypass/Controller Assign" pane for the "pedal edit mode". Please indicate me how to do that.

That is interesting. Does it still function? Because i once asked here in the forum if i can drive another Helix-unit via the CV-out of the Floor and was told that no. Without to get an explanation. Then i wrote the Line6.service and they did not answer this question but ignored me until my request turned unvalid (and i renewed my question two or three times). I found then another way to achieve my goal, however, this CV-out-solution would still be interesting. If your experience is long-time meanwhile and the Control did not take damage, i would risk a trial with my units.

I do not know how (dis)apropriate it is to reactivate this thread and beg for pardon if it annoys somebody. Meanwhile we have version 3.1. and still there's no bypass for the pedal edit mode (PEM). But i found a solution: In my intent to encounter a possibility for to engage with my feet more than the 10 effects i can assign to the footswitches (as we can store up to 32 effects in one preset), i finally glued with double-coated scotch tape a 3/4'' rubber cylinder on the Floor-unit's square bypass-switch: It's higher than the scroll-knob there and i can tap it easily with my foot for to engage it. Thus i enter the preset edit mode (FS6), engage the effect and then hit the rubber-cylinder with my foot: On/off. Not only that i can this way engage all effects of my preset with my feet, it is now too for the tweaking-work in PEM a lot easier to compare the done tweakings with the disabled state of that effect without to have to leave for that the pedal edit mode (or to stop to play and push the bypass-button with the hand). Admittedly not stilish, but functional.

You said too that you use two EXPs and i believe that precisely this is the cause for the jumping&fluttering, because - as far as my experience goes with the Helix Floor - all (!) connected EXPs seem autimatically to be assigned to the "pedal edit mode (PEM)" abd i found no way to clean/erase these assignments. Imagine that two simultaneously assigned EXPs make a sort of loop and because of that, the parameter's value while editing starts to jump and flutter, in any case, is not stable. With my Floor, when i disconnect all external pedals and thus only the onboard pedal works, it functions perfectly (no jumping, no fluttering). But PEM functions with EXP1 and EXP2: One can switch with the Floor-unit from EXP1 to EXP2 using the same one pedal, and both are assigned to PEM. I tried to find a way to clean the assignments of the EXPs from the PEM, but encountered no option. If somebody knows this trick, please post it.

Forgot to mention the possibility that i make a stupid fault. If i did none, and if i cannot chose one of the three EXPs for editing in PEM, then is it at least possible to deactivate fully that the EXPs can control the editing-function? Then one could do the editing purely with the foot-switches, but the value would very supposedly not more start to jump&flutter.

Hello all I use the Floor as pure pedal-board (in front of my amp). I have two external EXPs connected: Exp2 controls a Gain-block, Exp3 the ubitiquos vibe's rotation-parameter, and the automatically activated onboard EXP1 is assigned to drive the bassoctaver, as it serves too for to adjust the parameters when i go in "pedal edit mode (PEM)". Sometimes in PEM, the values i want to edit jump and 'flutter' and it's hard then to set the value correctly and to save it before it jumps again (this seems to be a problem that others have too, as i could read now in my researches for to resolve my problem). Tonight, while again using the PEM, i went aware that i can drive with all three EXPs the parameter i want to change ---- I thought, "With the volume i play with, surely the EXP-pedals vibrate and because they all three are automatically assigned to the parameter-change-function in PEM, and that they are all in special positions for their primary target (volume, rotation, etc.) - and not at zero or full -, it's not a surprise that the value of the parameter i want to work in PEM jumps and flutters." Of course, it does not make sense then to use the external pedals [since those drive the parameter of the block they are assigned to and the Gain-block for example is always activated, so it affects simultaneously the volume what isn't really helpful when editing parameters in the PEM]. Problem: All three EXPs can drive simultaneously the PEM function. As it seems to me, their assignment to the PEM is done automatically by the Floor-unit and i did not find a way for to desactivate the assignment of EXP2 and EXP3 from the PEM. In the manual, i found no remarks on the assigment of the EXPs to the PEM. And in Global settings, i found no option. So, my question is: Is my Floor broken or is it normal that all (two or three) EXPs are assigned to the PEM? Can i at all activate/ desactivate EXP-assignments to the PEM and if yes, how do i do that? In my case: How can i assign only one of the three EXPs to the PEM (preferably EXP1)? Thank you in advance for helping to clear this situation.

Ok, got today the external EXP-pedal (M-Audio). With it, both problems i had with the MIDI-connected EXP-pedals (see entry-post) are not more appearing. I can with it run in the HXFXs the 4 Wahs with their 2 assignments, they react all 4 correctly. The simultaneous driving of the gain-blocks of 2parallel Helixes functions with it (with Y-cable) as desired, i can change the presets in both units and the same (gain)block in the next preset is automatically & immediately adjusted to the actual position of the pedal. Merry Christmas!

Hurray; part 1 of the prob solved. I had to change (how logic, me tonto, but one has to know what to look for, thus thanks for the hint) the Bypass asignment in HX-Edit to the footswitch (it was assgn. by default to EXP1). *facepalm, shame* Now remains the preset from rd2rk, momento, i will add it as edit (i go check now to what the bypasses are assigned there) Edit: In German, we say in such situations: Ich könnte vor Scham im Boden versinken. Translated literally: I could sink into the earth because of shame. A dictionary proposed: to want to curl up and die . That was the entire trick. Bypass assignment. *smmmmmmmack*. Well, i have to digest that. My ...dumbheadness (not to have had this idea myself). Ok, then remains just the 2nd. problem with the max. assgnm. possible inside of a preset when using a midi-cable between a pedal owning Helix and the HX-Effects. It caused the freeze too. When the extern.EXP-pedal comes, i'll test of with that one, 8 assignments function without problems (i suppose that). I'll report that then here. The third problem, which was the allfirst one and the initial topic of this thread, that the same (gain)block in the next preset does not automatically and directly by itself adjust to the actual position of the via MIDI connected EXP-pedal of another unit, this seems to be due to the fact that MIDI-commands in a Helix work per preset and thus first load with the values they were saved with (TY rd2rk for that one). Apart of that detail, it works perfectly. Since i have the EXP-pedal ordered, i will then see if with that, both units at least have always the same vol-level. I'll report it then here. I must now inform the line 6 service. *shame* However, superhappy to see the things come to a solution, and one is already resolved and honestly, it was the most pain-causing one. Thanks all, phil_m, rd2rk, and datacomando. 80% resolved, and the other two things are not thaaaaat problem. The HX-Effects gets tomorrow his baptism, he stays here. Well, and rd2rk: sorry for all what happened. Schwamm drüber und ein Bier oder was du willst drauf. Ich nehm Apfelsaft. -- Sponge over it and a digital beer on it or what you want. I take applejuice. And really, i already said it, thank you for the exceptional time-lapse and the energy you spend, i made at least four steps with you. And then came datacommando, i got late, but not too late, the idea with the pics, and he putt in from two feet from the hole, for to say so. Happily he did. Ok, now going to inform the guys from the service.

You're so right. I thought too, after uploading the pics, that i could have had this idea a week earlier... Hmh. They are assigned to EXP1, by default they are. I switched them the more on (and ctrl+s), and nothing. Clicked "Save file" in the menu, nothing. Switched the unit on & off, nothing.

Yes, a human error could not be excluded, i mentioned that, at least one time, but i think more often. Don't know why you mention that here, i think because you have not read all / not read well. Yes, rd2rk did what he could, and i am doubtless 4 steps more far than i was before to make this thread.I thanked him several times very, very largely for that. Hm - i " updated the firmware on the HXFX and cannot see all the blocks when using HX Edit?" I do not understand well how you mean that. Thus i say how it was: I updated the firmware on the HXFX and when building a preset in HX Edit, i cannot see all the blocks in the unit. I made some pics, with them, you get an idea how it looks like. First that what i composed in HX-Edit and that is how the HXFXs then looks like As we can see, too the pitch-block is not appearing in the unit. It's not that the scribblestrips&LED-rings are defect. They function, only not with WAHs and as i see now, too not with all pitch-blocks. The next pic is how the preset looks like that rd2rk made for to upload in my unit (with EXP-pedal assigned to CC#19, and he had supposedly forgot in all the stress to assign too the positions, what i did then, no question; however, here the original): and here how it looks in the HXFXs: And when i click now on global menu->signal flow, it looks like that: So, it is there, but does not appear in the preset-view, i cannot use it. That is the HXFXs bug/defect. --------------- What matters the MIDI-driven EXP1-pedal assignment-stutter problem in the 4WAH-test-preset, i made a video of it, but it has 309MB. Tell me how to pass it to you and i do it. ...The thing with the well, although that it sounds like the "ultima ratio"-trial for to resolve that prob, i googled for it and found some threads on it. They were too not too confidence-producing. However, if such a thing exists, i thought, the guy from the Line6 service will know it and if he says then in some moment, "go there, upload that, execute and then do this or that", i will do it. When he takes the responsibility. Still it is easier for me to return the HXFXs. However, thanks for that hint, "datacommando".

You do not quote completely what i said. This is inapropriate. You had made, after three or five or seven (have not count them) ironic / cynic / sardonic comments on your imagination of what i do with 4 units - what absolutely never was a topic of this thread, but OT - a next time such a comment, " I SERIOUSLY wish you the best of Luck with your project. " Since we already were talking on that topic, i answered, "Which project??? What do you again project? Is to put a HXFXs in front of a big Helix a project??? " Really, the escalation is not from my side. I try to tell you that it is not of importance in matter of my problems what i do with 4 Helix-units, where they stand, to what they are connected, etc.pp. And you continue and continue and continue. Next one, "how, pray tell, do you connect multiple devices when they're NOT in one location?" Really, take a breath, that topic is OT and has nothing to do with the problems for which i created this thread. And ask yourself why your imagination is so fixated on that idea, insteadd of to continue here with it. I admit, and i had already mentioned this, that i would better have opened another thread when i entered then (when we had come to the end of the first problem) a second problem - and with it the HXFXs - that just in that moment had appeared and admittedly not stood in relation with the first problem. But i had mentioned that (that i had encountered a new problem). I regret meanwhile sincerly that i had not opened with this second problem another thread -- would have saved us many OT-posts here that completely annoy and disturb and fatigue a new reader, from which i could get the helping answer. Btw, a new reader: In my last post, i described the technical problems i have (the topic of this thread) by only copying&pasting the letter how i described it yesterday to the line6-service. With that, so far, it is paused, because in contrary to rd2rk, these people from the Line 6-service know that in the Helixes from Line 6, MIDI CC#1 is general channel and foreseen for to simulate a EXP1-pedal. He uses CC#19 and that's totally ok, a non-general assignment, whyever one should do that, but he insisted that my solution is not possible and that he can't imagine how that functions and that i must do like him. What i then silently did, i changed my command-center setting to CC#19. Without to mention it. Until now. Topic Castellano: 1. In what shall i ask him to help me? To connect a HXFXs to a big Helix??? ...I even did not ask you or anybody else how to do that. 2. It's you that shall say to Castellano & his multi-Helix-unit-rigs exactly the same than you said to me & the multi-Helix-rig that you imagine i have. And then you shall tell me what he answered you. I know you will not do that, even if he would now enter in your room. Much more than, "Is it true that you made a multi-Helix-unit-rig?" you will not ask. If at all. Ok, and on national characteristics. They exist. Already language and local costumes cause that. And thus, typically human [a bad side of the human, and sometimes, although that i try to work at myself and not to do that, also i do fall back in that behavour, i beg sincerly for pardon, that is a not good behaviour and i try to learn not more to fall back into it), every nation also has a jealous look at the characters and characterics of other nations. That thingy lives from the act of differenciation. And thus alas, mostly is focussed then on the as bad valued characteristics. The USA have certain reputations that you will hear everywhere. Not if you are yourself US-American, of course, humans are polite, and diplomatic, specially with US-Americans, because US-Americans, says another reputation that you will here everywhere, are the strongest. And it's not intelligent to say to the strongest anything that one thinks on him. So, for to roll back this OT, but it is on a provoked soul and that is not satisfied that rapidly: You Had said, "[...]DO NOT restore ANYTHING from your failed "LARGEST DIGITAL PEDALBOARD IN THE WORLD" project. Start over. 4) Remember K.I.S.S.[...]" Yeah, another of this sardonic or ironic or smug comments in that what you imagine if what i make with 4 units. I recommend to the "new reader" to leave the thread here, somewhen around christmas i should get my new external pedal, and then i will post if that can via Y-cable drive a certain parameter in two Helixes synchroneously WITHOUT that the actual pedal-position is ignored when one changes a preset for one that contains the same block with the same assignment. And when i get the answer from the line6-service, i will post that too. But this supposedly can take two or three or (please not) nore days. :) Do simply jump any post until 13 december. If you like psychodramas and clashing wannabe-alpha-egos, then you can continue to read here ;) Then later (we are a the point when rd2rk offensed me again with his not-ending craving imaginations of a "largest digital pedal of the world" and his sardonic K.I.S.S-comment), reading your post a 2nd and 3rd time (what i always do, even in German, for to really understand what the other has said there, or meant there, or for to discover a word or an entire paragraph that i have not well read the time(s) before), i saw that you had mentioned to own an equipment from which i would be happy to own only the half of it. And then in me something started to feel insulted and my ego to be provoked and for a moment, i had it not under control, and when one slips one time in in such a damned egowave, it's hard to stop and to leave it. Mea culpa. I said then "Quod licet jovi non licet bovi", a famous quote from Jules Cesar, meaning that even if all men are equal, Jules Cesar is more equal. Meaning that what is allowed to Jules Cesar is not allowed to the simple man. What is valid for the simple man is not valid for Jules Cesar. Meaning that Jules was arrogant. There are many occasions for that quote. And just before that, i had stupidly said (my ego that could escape my attention and started provoked reactions) a reputation that US-Americans have everywhere, (and again, when you then annoyed, you quoted me uncompletely, this time cutting out something), " :) :) :) Diese Amis. Was für Andere gilt, gilt für sie selbst nicht (correct translation: What is valid for others for themselves isn't valid for themselves). Quod licet jovi non licet bovi (what says the same -for causes of specification- with an old, famous quote). Mitakuye oyasin... ('with all my relations', also a famous quote, also shalling express that we are all the same, and in the frame of our ego-clash here, that some or obviously samer). I beg for pardon, i should not have used this "national characteristic"-mean, although that i felt insulted (meanwhile repeatedly) by you and your compulsive "multi-rig"-attacks flowing your imagination and even the entire mind. Can we finish now with that OT of a LARGEST DIGITAL PEDALBOARD OF THe WORLD (Santa Claus, give him a look and pass him that stuff) --------- I hope you have read A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G this time. If not, better do not answer. I mean, do what you want. But.. chimaera bombinans in vacuo . Said a not too stupid man.

Here how i described it yesterday to the line6-service I have two LTs and a Floor (and a Powercab), so i am used to the Helixes. All units have FW 3.11. Bought then 2 weeks ago the HXFXs. Upgraded the FW the first day, it was then too 3.11. Later then, in my trial to resolve the problems, i did a factory reset, but still the bugs and strange behaviors are there. 1. problem: Usually, for to create our presets, we do that via HX-Edit (not directly in the unit). With the HXFXs, i must do it in the unit, because not all blocks load via HX-Edit, nor any ready made presets. Specially no WAH does, the scribblestrips and LED-rings stay then dark. I have not tried all 200 FX-blocks, but not one WAH loads (and i wanted the HXFXs specially for that application). In my quest, i went then in the Line6-forum, and "uberguru" rd2rk made then a mattering preset for me and passed me the file, but too his file did not load, all scribblestrips remained empty, no LED-ring lightened. But: When i went then in global settings -> signal flow, they were there. However, in the normal preset-view, all scribblestrips and LED-rings remained dark. When then in HX Edit i click in the menu Save File, appears "timeout code 8212". Then rd2rk asked i make a factory-reset, but that changed nothing. 2.problem: The 2nd. prob is a MIDI-prob, and i am not sure if it's a bug, or simply a techncl. limit. As already said, the HXFXs shall specially be for WAH-presets with the WAH at the begin of a block-chain, but i still got not the extrnl. EXP-pedal i ordered (Amazon). Since i have the Floor with its inbuild EXP-pedal, i decided to drive the WAHs in the HXFXs with the Floor's EXP1 via MIDI-cable (->command center, MIDIbase ch.1, CC#1, 0-127). What functioned perfectly with presets with 1 WAH (and e.g. 1EQ plus 4 dist-blocks). But for to compare the diff. WAHs, i had made a preset with 4 WAHs (had to make it with the HX-Effects-unit, not with HX-Edit - see problem# 1) and only 2 dist-blocks. One time made, i had to switch off & on the unit in order to make appear the mattering preset in HX-Edit and to be able to tweak the parameters there. I assigned not only the "position"-parameter to EXP1, but to the level-parameter (reverse values, in order it's some more silent when high and somewhat louder when in the bass-spectre). In global setting->MIDI-Tempo, anything in both units was set to off apart of the first parameter set to MIDIch1. Functioned. Position and level were moving. I did then not pay more attention in that moment to the screen, but started to play guitar. After 5min., the HXFXs froze. The guitarsignal still passed, but since i had the bypass on true bypass, i did not wonder about that. So i switched the unit off and again on, and it functioned again. Some 15 min. later, it froze again. Because it was late, i went to bed. The next day, i switched all on, played 45 min., no freeze. Third day: Freeze after 15 min. Sometimes it froze in few minutes, sometimes it did not freeze in 45 min (longer i do not play because i have longcovid since a year and heavy energy-problems). In the course of the quest, i sat then at HX-Edit and looked at the WAH-parameters while moving the EXP-pedal fr. the Floor, and i discovered then that the parameters were not moving correspondingly to the pedal-movement in all 4 WAHS: Instead of to sweep regularly from the left to the right, they tumbled in 2 of the 4 WAHs in the middle (inbetween the extreme values of the setting), like if drunken. Too it did not move fluidly, but stuttered, reacted later than the pedal-movement. First i thought, the pedal of the Floor may be defect and changed the Floor for the LT. No success. For to exclude a cable-defect, i took another MIDI-cable: No success. I got then the idea to erase the EXP1-assignments from the level-parameter of all 4 WAHs. After, it functioned at first view well, position was (at first impression) moving fully with all 4 WAHs ---- if i would have looked more attentive & longer, i would have seen that with two WAHs, it still did not perfectly function. However, i did not, but instead restarted to play guitar and the next 4 days, the HXFXs did not more freeze (!). Then i discovered that the position of two WAHs was stuttering and hanging sometimes. Then i copied&pasted this preset fr. the HXFXs into the Floor and connected this one with the MIDI-cable to the LT with the pedal, and there it functioned. I thought: The Floor has double DSP (relative to the HXFXs), add more WAHs: With 6 Wahs it started to do the same effect like the HXFXs, with 7 WAHs it was clearly visible that the parameters do not more obey the pedal, but hang, jump suddenly, and do not more reach the extreme, outer sides. So, Floor und HXFXs do the same, only the Floor needs double as much assignments for to start that behavior. That was the moment when i thought: That is perhaps not a bug, but simply a type of technical limit (of the RAM, or the DSP - perhaps the DSP contains the RAM -). I'm a technical ignorant in that matter (computer-electronics), but i would say that the DSP has a limit of assignments that one can make with an expression-pedal via MIDI, which is 3-4 assignments with the HXFXs and 6-8 with the Floor. Then i tried what the 7 WAHs in the Floor make when i use its own onboard-pedal. Perfect, no mis-function. I could add 9 WAHs, with two EXP1-assigments per WAH-block, and no problem ---- still i have not the external EXP-pedal i ordered, but this made me suppose that with a real external EXP-pedal, the HXFXs will function correctly with 4 WAHs (and 2 EXP1-assignments per block) like the Floor with its inbuild one. Only via MIDI, there is a strange limit. And it's one that can make your unit freeze. So, resume: I do see this 2nd problem not more as bug or defect, but as technical limit (but i may be wrong) ---- that i cannot load WAHs via HX-Edit into the HXFXs, and that 'ready-made' presets (at least when they contain WAH-blocks) absolutely do not load, this seems to be a real defect or bug. As last technical (beside-)information: I have all my music-stuff in an own electrical circuit that i let make exactly for that as allfirst circuit of the house [so before fridge and anything else, for to avoid their influences in the sound]: It has new wires (now 2 1/2 years old) with ground, a flash-fuse in front of the (own) 30A-mainfuse, then UPS, 2 AVRs, and at the end a Furman conditioner (Furman PL Plus DMC) to which all my Line6-stuff and other pedals are connected. Not one lamp is connected to this circuit, it's purely for the instrument-stuff! [...] So, this is still future, we have ten days for to resolve the problem -- perhaps the one is a bug we can resolve (that i can not load correctly presets into the unit via HX-Edit), and the other (that with MIDI and the max-assignments to the EXP-pedal, the disfunction then, and the then happening freezes) may simply be a technical limit (but i would beg you to approve me that). Thanks in advance for your help

Two. Not 4. One could also make two parallel LTs for to able to use preset-spillover. No, that wasn't logical. It was a limited logic that you projected out of your limited horizon. We all have limited horizons. Only that most forget that much too rapidly and often. And when i made my alledgedly very insulting crack about Americans (please: US-Americans, did not talk about Canadians, nor about South-Americans; edit: nor about original, or native americans), it was in the same consciousness (that YOU are not considering that my equipment might be too in more than one location). Only that i had this consciousness before you even only learned from me that i have a Floor too; detail that i do only mention in the course of the thread (which stretches over several days); ...it was when i then tested if my HXFXs is broken or if this phenomenon is a technical-limit-issue and had thus pasted my HXFXs-WAH-test-preset to the Floor. Did not want to use my LTs for that for not to have to start to deconnected and reconnect and erase and reload. The Floor has only four presets and is in front of my Marshalls, it was more easy to disconnect him and make this test with him (line 6 says the helix is masculine). I was already aware that you do not read well when you asked me to upgrade my HXFXs to 3.11 (9th of december). I had already mentioned that the 6th december (that it is upgraded to 3.11.) Correct. And i showed much humour continuing to try to explain you the problems i have although that i knew that you were not reading correctly. But i admit, it was too due to the simple necessity that i had to resolve these problems. Here i agree fully. Which project??? What do you again project? Is to put a HXFXs in front of a big Helix a project??? Man, man, man. Go look this video on You-tube from Richie Castellani (i hope i write his name well) where he connects several Helixes via the FX-loops. And say that what you say to me here to him. And tell me then the answer he gave to you.

Please Datacomando, don't start you too to project your life on me. In the 80's, i did many things, but i did not play myself an instrument. I started to play guitar around 2000, and then between 2005 and 2017, i had again stopped to play guitar for professional reasons. And i stopped again 2020 to 2021 because of health-reasons (Covid, the heaviest form). And all i ever owned in that matter have been guitars and guitar-amps. Even not a mike for to record myself with a tapedeck. Is that a defect??? I did not know that MIDI belongs to the essential knowledges of a human. I learn daily something new... My mad concepts? I repeat, and insist really intensively: Stop to project. There is no mad concept. Or is it a mad concept to put a HXFXs in front of a big Helix? Go look the videos of Richie Castellano. There's at least one where he interconnects several Helix-units (if there are several videos, i do not know, i did not look all Helix-videos from him, nor all of Jason Sadites and many others - i would still be occupied with looking videos instead of to play guitar -). Instead of to project, or repeat what rd2rk says, or to defend him (but that is truly romantic, i understand), read tranquilly and concentratedly what i wrote if you want to understand. Or stay out of this thread please, it is not helpful to intervene here if you do not read anything that contains MY description of MY problem. I do not believe rd2rk needs an advocat, less one that is not willing to read any detail of the case. Ok, so far for that. And we are still in the Kindergarden-monologue-battle that runs totally beside my problem i have with the defective HXFXs. For to return to it, as already promised in my last post, i will copy & paste here that what i wrote now to the line6 service, as said in my last post, it is now much shorter, because i could elaborate with the help of the people here that what is bug, and that what is technical limit. But i will do that in an own post, for to separate it from this OT-thingy here.

7Wahs; LOL: You're right for "user-presets", but (and i said it SEVERAL times - you did not read well -) it does make sense if one wants to learn the differences between the different WAHs. I mean: Do we something different when we load a preset with 10 dist-pedals? We'll (supposedly) never switch them on all ten at the same time. We try to explore the ten pedals, find the 4 we like, and load the next six that we do not know for to learn them. I mean, we buy a 1500$-unit with 200 FX pedals for to find new pedals that we did hitherto not know and that we have to explore before to find our ten choosen ones and make the final fx-preset or presets that we will use at the end ---- in that quest, is it ok to have a preset with ten dist-pedals? Or ten reverbs/ pitchs/ filters/ WAHs? You may be pros and know 1000 pedals and amps, but many people that right now buy a Helix know perhaps only 3 pedals and 2 amps, and these 5 may even not be in the Helix. What shall they more intelligently do than to work through all 200 pedals and 80 amps? And how shall they do that? Right. Loading them up and making test-presets that you ole pros call silly. Perhaps you are AI and could get the information via USB-connection, our human kind has to learn the things step by step. Please all of you: -> page 1 of this thread here, STRG+F: test-preset. You see? You did not read well, ...or your mind was somewhere else while reading. OBVIOUSLY. Shall i now make a Kindergarden-comment like you all, and say that your mind-power and concentration-capacity is obviously somewhat inconstant and faible and that you supposedly eat wrong food, e.g. not enough phosphor-, or lecithin-containing food??? The 4 WAH-preset in the HXFXs was a test-preset for to explore the differences of the WAHs and i had said that. The 7 Wahs then later in the Floor preset, i had only made for to see if the MIDI-bug is DSP-depending (and i had said that too, explicitly): The Floor shall have double as much DSP than the HXFXs, so when the HXFXs starts to make this bug with 3-4 WAHs, the Floor should show this same effect with 6-8 WAHs. And correct, this was the case. I went even to make a third conter-check by loading this preset in the LT and driving the WAH-parameters by the 2nd LT's EXP-pedal: The same effect of disfunction. What makes me conclude this is not a bug but a technical limit. And don't tell me all four units would be broken, this is quasi improbable, the more that one of them is brandnew and the other quasi brandnew (has two months). Then, dear Kindergarden-brothers here: Have i said somewhere that i made some chain consisting of two LTs, a Floor and a HXFXs? Have i? Did i? *glacial*: No, i did not. That is another of your projections that you do (and which i already mentioned) !!!! I have the Floor in front of my Marshall(s). And admittedly too as reserve-unit for the case something fails with one of the LTs. Is that ok to you? Am i not longer a fool or crazy dumbhead or digital idiot? Really, stop your Kindergarden-mindset, it's ashaming. Please: R-E-A-D (instead of to project). We should all have learned that in the school. And perhaps, for to go down to your level of "con-versation" (which i would rather call a dis-cussion-mode): I do not know how young you are, but when you're older than 40, 45, then this is not more normal (youth is clearly ended). Then learn ZENmeditations and/or go to the psychotherapist for to resolve your obviously and clearly existing projecting mindset (normal for youth, not more normal for adults). It's resolvable (and co-incidentally my profession). And if you take projection-mechanism enforcing drugs like alcohol or cocaine, then you already see my next advice in that matter. Ok, enough Kindergarden-monologue-clashing (that you call con-versation). I have meanwhile contact with the line6-service, and since i meanwhile with your help have elaborated what's bug and what's technical limit, i could tell them the problematic much more short. For to separate that from my "ending the Kindergarden-level here"-post, i'll post it in the next comment, specially for Datacommando who asked me to do so. Give me some hours or so for i have first some stuff to do (not that my life consists only of Line6, or even only music). But tonight, i'll post it. -------- created without translator

:) :) :) And he tells me someding über K.I.S.S. ...Diese Amis. Was für Andere gilt, gilt für sie nicht. Mitakuye oyasin

Two voltage regulators, 1 Furman PL Plus DMC for the sacred Helixes and USP with car-Gel-battery, enough time for to put the Helixes off, completely separated, new electrical circuit with new cables and with ground purely for the musicstuff, incl. flash-fuse before the own 30A -fuse. First circuit of the house. Even not a lamp is connected to that circuit. I have Marshalls, i do not play with their lives, nor with the of any device (nor with my own'). (me not Latino, i am German and ourkind usually has a worldwide known, respected and admired very special way to handle any technical stuff). And that the HXFXs shall have taken damage by the electricity here? Impossible, it did that bug from the first day on, and as i say, voltage regltr, Furman, own circuit, fuses - forget that theory -. However, i understand your sigh and thank you very, very much. You've been very lovely (do you say that this way in angloamerican?) and patient and engaged. I will very probably simply return the HX, because of the HX-Edit bug, not because it collapses with more than 4 EXP-assignments (via MIDI). I can accept technical limits, but not that i can not load presets via HX-Edit and that WAHs do not appear in the unit when loaded via HX Edit, that's a clear bug. If i will make the reboot-stuff with my big Helixes, i dunno. Think not. The bug is in the HX, and the other supposedly in DSP-limits for MIDi-commands. When i will get the extrn. EXP-pedal (predicted for the 20th by Amazoun), i try first how it runs the WAHs. I suppose as problemless as the onbord-pedal for onboard-presets. I'll see and report that then here. That with the parameters at zero in the LT, i really had that several times -- i do not know if that could happen every time i add a new MIDI-command and one has to load it snapshot by snapshot when those shall remain with their names (at least i did not find another way, and nobody taught me one when i asked). I found no way to make the MIDI-commands globally. And i had once the impression that during this process, sometimes settings are changing. Well, i will in the next days scroll through the presets and check them (the more that i make with every big new change a backup of the presetlists, i will be able to reproduce when changed this preset i uploaded for you, and too i will be able to check there the original values, just thought that when i fell into sleep yesterday. The ten presets to both sides of the mattering have all been ok as far i could yesterday rapidly check. K.I.S.S.? O man, and that they tell me in 2020 when the world is ten steps before collapsing because of own stupidity. I do not invent a battery-car and call it ecologic. I like to play three bridged Plexis, that's all. You got half the preset for that. It IS simple. I was told just today that the sound is damn good, brutally loud and glassclear, any amp to recognize, no fizzle, nada. :) I know that, if not, i would have already returned the second LT. However, do never force the people to their happiness ;-) Thanks rd2rk and in some way really sorry for all the pain for nothing /\. The line6 service has still not written. And i am in my inside already saying: Goodbye HX. I can return it without questions and costs. And have learned a lot. Some weeks ago, me old man even did not know to write MIDI correctly... Thanks too to all who gave me here their counsils for my first steps. PS: aaa, K.I.S.S.: :) :) :) Diese Amis. Was für Andere gilt, gilt für sie selbst nicht. Quod licet jovi non licet bovi. Mitakuye oyasin... Future? hmmmm... Lao-Tsu says that now is now. Good luck in your now /\ and i take your luck-wishes. Only endeaviours, ...hhahhahhaha, i am old man, and i have survived Covid, 4months fighting for every breath. since 22months now Longcovid. I am more near death and enjoying any second of my life, even that it's hard to stand longer than 40min with a fat madame around the neck and fly through the space. we shouldn't project our own stuff on others for the case at all that we want to see their reality.

wow. or better: what the hack is that? Made factory-reset (see post above). Then after, HXeffects display said: Firmware Version 3.11, HX-Edit said 3.11. And "no update available". The preset-list is again the factory-presets, would have to reload my four presets or the entire list --- anyhow, i did something else before: I wanted to see if i can now make a preset in HX-Edit and if it loads now automatically in the unit: 1.block: Dist-pedal, appeared in the unit (1.st scribblestrip) in the same way it does with Floor and LT. LEDring lights. Me enjoyed, hopes rising, optimism developing... 2nd.Block, WAH. In HX-Edit appears a WAH, in the unit: Nada, pitch black, scribblestrip stays dark, LED ring also. #< ███ *°#... 3rd block: A filter: Appears too in the unit, LEDring lights. 4th block: Pitch. Appears. 5th block: Other WAH (other model): stays dark, LED too. Wudd? The WAHs do no load???? 6th block: Modulation: Appears, LEDring lights. Uff. Erasing the last 5 blocks, putting (instead of a WAH) another dist-block as 2nd: Appears, LEDring lights. As third now a (3rd model) WAH: Nada. Nichts. Rien. Nothing. Zero. The WAHs do not load (via HX-Edit) into the unit, the rest does?????????????? (pause, making me a cup of tea) ... .... *slurp* ...Hee Liks and the Bugs. At least a song with that title ♫♫♪.. - OK, next step: Loading my 4WAH-preset that i uploaded here to the thread: Same bug, the position is not more regularly moving from whole right to whole left with two from 4 WAHs. If it will freeze when i would play, i do not know. - Next step: Uploading your latest preset: It appears in HX-Edit (you assigned only level, i will see if it functions, and then i'll add position, suppose you forgot that; Hot spring reverb is there). Preset is NOT appearing in the HX-Effects (aynie shcribbleshtripp ish dhargh n' done, no L€D, Baby, the rain hash gone, babie yeah, don't trushd the ole grieks, twas Achilles last one, baby, no butterflies, no beatles, pure bugs, oh Hee Liks♫♪...) Checking via global-preset (BigMac-button)->signal flow: it is there, but not when i switch to normal preset view, then all is black - the same bug that had happened before the factory-reset (i believe meanwhile it's a bug, bug # 2 or 3 meanwhile...). Thus, as before the fact.reset: The only way to make possible your preset is when i go down to the unit and load there the single blocks and assign then anything the way you did later via HX-Edit; ...to tweak then after (off->on) parameters via HX Edit functions. Enough for tonite. The LT eats parameters, i must check 250 presets now and re-adjust while playing, i could smash this damn computer against the wall, i saw it too put Mids to zero. Line 6 will surely claim it's my laptop... The HXFXs has MIDIbugs, freezes and is not to load via HX-Edit with ready made presets, at least when there are WAHs among the blocks, and generally, it does not load WAHs via HX-Edit. Dist-pedals yes. WAH no -- that is not a man, Helix is a woman before (or in) the menopause. Tell that to Benadrian. Really ...There is a limit with sacrificed guitar-hours for fukeduping transistor#**<~°/bs. ALEEEXAAA, go home. No, go to Mars and stay there, better to Saturn. Digita... AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAH.... I must find a good tube doc in this damned land. And i cannot play somewhere else, for most buildings have no electrcl. ground here, ... and play several bridged Marshalls without ground, it's funny feeling flowing through the body. I did that 5 secs and then digged a 6feet deep hole in front of my house, bought a copper bar, 160 feet fat wire, put new powersockets. ... ...I must have a Helix-bug spirit with me... Helix? Gollum... going sleeping. Tomorrow when i woke up hopefully happened a wonder and this here´s only a bad dream

The HX-Effects (all my units) have FW 3.11. While booting the HX-Effects displays3.11. And i checked it now in HX-Edit (about) and it says too 3.11. Do you want that i make the upgrade again (back to firmware and then re-update) ? No prob, these 4 presets i have stored and i have them too on my Floor, because i made several tests with him and the HXFXs-presets. Edit: That thingy with Helix Native i can mentally not reproduce. I have Native, got it together with Cubase element for free when i bought now the LT, but but but it didn't run on my laptop (Intel Celeron N3050). Stopped to run in 5 sec, and with some presets did even not start. Thus i erased again Cubase and Native from the laptop. I need a new computer, with i7 at least, i9 10900K would of course be preferrable, but i would need to sell one or two of my Helixes for that (nope), multicore, 16GB Ram, 3.6Mhz, 500GB SSd and 1TB HD, RAM and harddrives expandable of course (free slots for the future), min. 6USB, 2 HDMI, the best with a thunderbold, what more, a yes, two 24'' screens...., for 900$ max. And black friday-week was not nice to me. (i feel my Marshalls behind me cough distinguishedly).

If i ever will become rockstar and will use the Line6 stuff, i'll call me Tony Bug or so, or Hee Liks and the Bugs... Here the rapidly adjusted one, for the case you'll ever get the idea to test it. It's noit adjusted by ears, but simply by the experience i meanwhile have with my way to like the bias-settings. Possible the originals were different. Usually, it's more or less that way. Btw: Now you need my global-EQ-settings and my speakers (and my room, my guitar, etc) 2jP IR_ 2GbDbCb.hlx

This is unbelievable and not the first time i think it. I just checked myself this preset, and in one of the amps, the BiasX is on zero, and snapshot. Snapshot is correct, but i never set BiasX to 0, never. And i had already this problem one time with several parameters, and it was Bias. In several of the presets, suddenly, the Bias was always on 0. Imagine you have 250 presets and check there every amp on its values. That presence is on zero is correct for that amp in that preset. Wow wow wow. My adrenalin is on 200. I have now to recheck 250 presets???? And i must readjust them while playing??? F++++++++++++++++++++<k No, not tonight. What a sh...#