Thanks Cruisinon2 for the reply, sort of confirmed where my thinking was leading to. I'm ok with setting up patches and routing etc but my helix is such a shambolic collection of patches that I was hoping for some inside tricks or a methodology. I Looked at Jason Satides channel so thankyou for that, this is the sort of approach thats going to be very helpful. I just wonder if the Helix essential expert got paid for an event he never deilvered.,