Wah (Weeper) effect is boosting volume too much

[pdkellett]

Hi - I can't seem to find any thread about this.

 

I'm using my Helix in 4CM with a real valve amp (Friedman BE100) and I've initially been using the standard 4CM template which has the Wah pedal as the first block in the FX chain - which makes perfect sense.

 

Whenever I engage the wah effect the volume level suddenly seems to jump up by about 12dB (I'm estimating here) even though the effect level is at 0dB. It gets quite a lot louder and I'm not sure why this is?

 

I'm using the latest 1.12 firmware.

 

I've tried turning down the level of the wah effect but it seems to ruin the feel of the guitar. 

 

Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem - or is aware of why having the wah effect in front of the pre-amp fx loop would do this?

 

I have a separate expression pedal for Exp 2 and Exp 3 added too.

 

Thanks

 

[silverhead]

Are Wah and Vol FX both assigned to the same EXP pedal as their controller? Do you have to turn the Wah on using the Toe Switch, hence requiring the Vol to be increased to max before the Wah engages?

[billlorentzen]

I have also noticed the volume problem. I turn down the wah output level to compensate. I haven't really noticed it ruining the feel of the guitar, but I have found that it's very important to match the right wah with the amp. Some wahs sound like crap with some amps. In the analog world, I've mostly used Cry Babys and I do find the Weeper more overbearing than what I am used to with certain amps.

[pdkellett]

Thanks for speedy responses guys.

 

@silverhead - I have assigned the volume pedal to an external pedal acting as Exp2 so the built in pedal is now only operating as a single expression pedal. The volume should now be separate from the wah.

 

Interesting that billorentzen is having the same issue. 

 

I'm normally quite good at working this stuff out and I'm pretty sure the wah effect is somehow bypassing the volume setting of my Exp2 pedal and simply going to full volume when engaged - which sounds like the symptom your describing silverhead. 

 

The volume boost only happens when I click down on the toe switch of the built in Exp1 pedal.

[ricksteruk]

 

I'm normally quite good at working this stuff out and I'm pretty sure the wah effect is somehow bypassing the volume setting of my Exp2 pedal and simply going to full volume when engaged - which sounds like the symptom your describing silverhead. 

 

The volume boost only happens when I click down on the toe switch of the built in Exp1 pedal.

 

The EXP Toe switch automatically assigns itself to control any Gain / Volume block you add.

 

Just got to "Footswitch control" menu page, select the volume block and set it to be controlled by some other footswitch or (None if you prefer)

[pdkellett]

Managed to solve it.

 

I rarely use my volume pedal at full (100%) and the toe switch was till enabled to turn on/off the volume pedal block. (even though the volume controller was set to use external Exp 2).

 

So everytime I turned the wah on - it switched off the volume pedal block which meant my volume level suddenly jumped up to 100% as the volume exp pedal was now being bypassed.

 

Problem solved. Thanks all.

[Joepeggio]

Managed to solve it.

 

I rarely use my volume pedal at full (100%) and the toe switch was till enabled to turn on/off the volume pedal block. (even though the volume controller was set to use external Exp 2).

 

 

So everytime I turned the wah on - it switched off the volume pedal block which meant my volume level suddenly jumped up to 100% as the volume exp pedal was now being bypassed.

 

Problem solved. Thanks all.

 

Good find. Its weird when using a second exp pedal it still uses the toe switch to turn off the block. This will help be tremendously when i add a second exp pedal.