litesnsirens Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I just bought a Helix LT, having said that it's less than 30 days and I will likely return it and get the Helix. Mainly because now that I am seeing the power of the command center the scribble strips become that much more important. Now on to my question, I've read through the manual and I may have missed it but I can assign a bypass for an onboard effect to a footswitch and have it in momentary mode but I don't seem to be able to do the same when sending a midi CC message. I thought it could be a midi limitation but ultimately it should be as simple as when the switch is depressed it sends 64-127 and when it's let go it sends 0-63. I've been having success programming the helix to control various functions on my voicelive 3 and I would like to leave the VL3 away from my feet and just have the Helix there. But I do like to be able to just have a momentary switch to engage harmonies . Have I missed something? Or is this not possible at this time? I tried setting the switch to momentary for the bypass function and then adding the midi CC message but that didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) It is doable because I control my Strymon's bypass that way. I'm not near my Helix just now but from memory is it the CC Toggle command that you should be using? Craig Edit, I may have misread your question completely but its still early here! Edited June 28, 2018 by CraigGT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 That's OK... Yes i was using the toggle I just don't see any way to make it momentary. And based on the number of people who are showing an interest in this it's not likely to gain enough traction in ideascale to make it into a firmware update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I just looked and can't see a way to do it unless you can set your Voicelive 3 to respond to note on values because they can be set to momentary. Another option would be to assign the CC to the pedal then you could maybe control it easier than hitting a foot switch twice. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 I couldn't sign in for a few days for some reason so I couldn't respond earlier. I will take your suggestion and see if there is anything that can be done on the VL3 side of the equation. I had messed around with using the pedal and it's not a terrible option. You can reduce the outside parameters from 0 and 127 to make it less a drastic action required on the pedal which makes it pretty useable. I would still prefer to be able to do this on a footswitch but if not I have some other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 I went ahead and bought the Helix and took the LT back and I love it. Now back to the issue. I tried using the Midi CC as opposed to the toggle because on the Helix that kind of works in momentary. ie: the LED is only lit while depressing the footswitch. But it just turns on the effect on the VL3 and doesn't allow any way to turn it off. I don't know enough about continuous control to know if this is a Helix thing or a VL3 thing or neither. It would be good to have an option to have the Helix send another value when you let go of the switch in the midi CC setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 So it looks like you'll need to use two footswitches or two snapshots to do what you want. Either that or use the pedal as discussed earlier. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 I can use a single footswitch, I just have to hit it once to engage the harmonies and then again to turn it off. Which in many instances is fine like if the chorus of a song has harmonies all the way through. It's when I just want to harmonies on a single line or a couple of words or even a single word that it gets tricky and I need momentary. Unless by using 2 footswitches you are thinking of some sort of trick that is going over my head. The closest at this point is the expression pedal. Unless either line 6 or TC Helicon comes up with a firmware solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I've just had another idea, you could wire up a momentary footswitch up to one of the EXP inputs and assign the pedal to a CC, that would give you the 0/127 that you need. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Do you mean purchase an external momentary footswitch? Like a Boss FS5 and plug that into one of the expression pedal inputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Yes that would do, you'd need to wire to a TRS plug at the Helix end though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I've just checked and as long as you have a resistor across the switch or across the jack plug it works fine, I had mine changing the delay time on my Bigsky but it's just a CC command the same as you need. https://goo.gl/images/g7oXRt Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litesnsirens Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 I just spent some time in ideascale and it appears that someone had already requested this feature. And it's in the "In Progress" filter so I guess they are working on it. This is great news for me as the whole idea is to not have to use any other pedals or footswitches. If I get migrated over to Helix before this is implemented I will use your idea, but it's nice to know it'll just be temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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