Send blocks - Pass through/Level parameters

[themetallikid]

So I have a duet acoustic show tonight.  I had asked this in another thread, but got no response....probably more due to the threads original question.   I'll ask again.

 

I'm running 2 vocals, 2 guitars on a single preset, with variations of stuff using snapshots.

 

Path 1A - My guitar - Guitar In

Path 1B - Duet guitar - Aux In

Path 2A - My vocal - XLR in

Path 2B - Duet Guitar - Send/Return 1

 

With running this setup, I lose the ability to set a monitor mix (1/4")  that is different than the FOH (XLR) mix.  In one of my main band presets where I use a talkbox in a send/return, I noticed that the send/return had a "level" parameter but also a "pass through" parameter.   

 

I assume the pass through would go to the outputs (XLR) FOH just fine, as I have the preset designed.  Am I correct that the Level parameter would only affect the Send level of whatever block I choose?   

 

Being that I'm using Send/Return 1 for the duet guitar input, I would use send/return 2 and then run that 1/4" out to my monitor and use the Level parameter to adjust the 'mix' of each paths send with 0 affect on the FOH levels?

[silverhead]

Not sure I understand fully, but….

 

Why are you using two inputs (Aux In and Return 1) for the Duet guitar? Your partner has 2 guitar inputs and no vocal input?

 

Also, you only need to use the Return 1 (not Send 1) for your Duet Vocal (assuming you just made a typo in the above).) This would leave Send 1 available for use.  But as you describe you could use Send 2 just as well.

[silverhead]

Also… you might be able to get this setup working and tested at home before the gig if you use a Looper block here and there and move it around as required. Don’t know for sure…. Never tried that.

[themetallikid]

Yes both of those are typos.  

 

Path 1A - My guitar - Guitar In

Path 1B - Duet guitar - Aux In

Path 2A - My vocal - XLR in

Path 2B - Duet Vocal - Return 1

 

I'm fairly quick to adjust things on the fly once we get there to get a mix dialed in.  Was more just looking for confirmation that my mad scientist mind was understanding those two parameters enough that this would work.  

 

Otherwise there is no control over the mix.  And being that he is not going into the traditional inputs, his 'sauce' is lacking a bit of flavor, so it helps to have an output to adjust rather than trying to adjust input gain/levels to even things out mix wise.  

 

 

Appreciate it. 

 

 

[themetallikid]

Got home, did a small test with just my acoustic.  Using Send 2, I can run that as the last block, using the level parameter to determine my monitor mix going out Send 2 to wedge.  XLR going out to FOH.  

 

Yay, Helix once again makes running live shows rediculously flawless/painless and efficiently dangerous.  

[silverhead]

Great preparation. Hope your gig goes well!

[themetallikid]

definately took a bit to try and dial in, but I can see the potential if time is spent with it ahead of gig time.  Also see the potential for 2 monitor mixes if you can get your signal chain simple enough.

 

 

Question about matching the inputs though.  I know the XLR input has an input trim parameter in global settings.  Is there a way to easily create unity (not accounting for various singing levels or guitar levels, just pure unity from a Helix input perspective) between the Guitar In/Aux In and the XLR input and using Return 1 as a 2nd Vocal input?  I dont know how all you smart people here find those types of numbers or test those things.  I'd imagine there is a simple formula that the Aux input is -3db than the guitar in and the Return 1 is -6db from the XLR input when set to 0.0db boost (just as an example, I made those up to prove a point).