Helix+PC112plus+BeatBuddy+Aeros Loop Studio

[BoatTox]

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Hi all. Obviously new here and I did search for this type of question, but I didn’t see this addressed specifically.

I have a helix floor connected to a line 6 power cab with the L6 link cable (xlr cable). Currently I have my BeatBuddy (with footswitch) midi out to my Aeros Loop station. I would like the Aeros to receive signal with all modeling that was performed on the Helix without hearing the drums on the loops I make. I probably have the 1/4 cables hooked in the wrong order as I hear the drums on the the loop. I’m very new to this as I normally just have an amp/cab setup. New to BB, Aeros, and Helix so big learning curve. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[DunedinDragon]

It's not clear to me where you have your drum audio signal going from the BeatBuddy.  You say you have the MIDI Out going to the Aeros Loop Station, but MIDI Out doesn't have audio so I'm guessing the MIDI out is simply to control the Aeros.  Assuming you want all audio (guitar and drums) going through the Powercab independently, you would want two separate audio lines (one from the Helix and one from the BeatBuddy) going into the Powercab.  If you're routing your BeatBuddy audio through the Helix that explains why it's on the loops.

 

A long time ago I used to use a BeatBuddy with my Helix, but I just used the Helix to send MIDI commands to control the BeatBuddy.  In that case my Helix and BeatBuddy went directly to the PA with audio signals.

[datacommando]

On 2/23/2023 at 3:18 AM, BoatTox said:

New to BB, Aeros, and Helix so big learning curve. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Hi,

 

Not sure if this is the sort of set up you're trying for, but here's a video using the Aeros, BeatBuddy and a Helix rack.

 

See if it helps.

 

 

[BoatTox]

@DunedinDragon and @datacommando  nice to meet you both.  Thanks for your help for a poorly worded question.  Thank you for the YouTube vid as well.  I think I may have answered my own question, but I’ll first post my reply on the SimplySound forum as I posted there as well.

 

My current setup is as follows.
Guitar —> Guitar In (Helix) —> 1/4” out (helix) to Aeros L(mono) In
BB—> Exp In (Helix)
BB —> Footswitch
BB —> MIDI OUT to Aeros Midi IN

With the HeadRush I ran L&R out of Eros 1/4 Y cable to Input 2 of the HeadRush
Helix XLR —> to Input 1 of the Headrush

Helix 1/4 and XLR Global settings to Line

Now with PowerCab: Link 6 cable from Helix AES/EBU Link 6 Cable Digital out —> PC112+ (L6 Link AES IN)

Can I change things to active the following:

1. Play Helix straight to PC using the Helix modeling
2. Play BB with Helix no Aeros
3. Play Helix (modeling) with Aeros and BB. Here I want to make loops that don’t include the BB drums in the loop.

    Ok after trial and error this evening I think the following works:  I can do #1 with my current cable setup.  I can also do #2 by leaving the power off to the Aeros Loop Studio.  I had this idea that I wanted a chance to record/keep the loops without the drum sound recorded in them, but the midi cable starts and stops the Aeros anyway so if I try to shut off the drum it stops the loops.  That is the whole idea of the midi cable.  Sorry just learning.

 

    I’m going to try to turn down the volume or see if I can run Headphone out so I could hear the drums without hearing it in the mix.  I did try a separate cable to the PC112 and it did work, but the midi still stops the looper.  

   

     The only reason I was trying to figure this out is I’m going to do cable management and I’m using python pedal covers and once I cut it, it would be difficult to change if I wired incorrectly.  95% of the time I would want the drums in anyway.  Again thanks for the help.  I would love any thought you have.

[DunedinDragon]

Okay, it's been a few years since I used my BB with my Helix but here's a few things to consider.  The reason you're getting the drums in the mix with the Aeros is exactly what I mentioned previously.  You have the BB audio signal coming into the Helix and you have the Helix routed via 1/4" out to the Aeros.  That signal includes the BB audio, and the guitar modeling audio, so that's what goes into the recording loop on the Aeros.  I would probably have the BB come in via a dedicated 1/4" input on it's own separate signal chain from guitar and combine with the Helix guitar modeling output going to the XLR out to the Headrush AFTER you use a 1/4" send that goes from the Helix to the Aeros (no return signal from the Aeros).

[datacommando]

On 2/28/2023 at 2:05 AM, BoatTox said:

Here I want to make loops that don’t include the BB drums in the loop.

Hi,

 

I don’t know how complex your guitar A1 input chain is, but the thing that occurs to me is this - your Helix floor has Paths 1 & 2 and each of those can be split into another 2 paths, A & B. All 4 paths are stereo, and each preset can have 4 input blocks - 1 or 2 per path.

 

I would consider using Path A for the guitar signal and Aeros looper patched in last, and then bypass all the guitar FX blocks by using Path 2 solely for the BeatBuddy. Plug in your guitar as normal with the looper in one of the Helix FX Loops, and use the other Return block for the BB Input. Theoretically, you could use Path A1 and A2 and possibly Path 2A as a super serial path along with Path 2B as the BB only channel.
 

Try it and see if it works for you.

 

Helix 3.0 Owner’s Manual - Rev F - English -  page 21 - Super Serial

 

https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f041b611d61cac763b/application/pdf/Helix 3.0 Owner's Manual - Rev F - English .pdf

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

[BoatTox]

This is if anyone is doing something similar, this is where I landed.

 

Helix —> L6 cable (AES/EBU L6 Link Cable OUT) —> PC 112+ L6 Link AES IN. This lets my helix play to the power cab as I want without BB or Aeros. All forms of modeling from the PC and Helix (FRFS).

 

BB—> 1/4 OUT L (mono) —> PC Line 1 IN 1/4
This lets me play BB alone, with helix, or with Aeros without contaminating the loops with drum sounds.

 

BB—> Singular Sound Midi Cable (splits from one on the BB to MIDI IN and MIDI OUT) —> Aeros Loop Studio MIDI IN. BB controls start/stop and sync of Aeros

 

BB—> Footswitch

 

Helix —> 1/4 inch Out —> Aeros L (mono) IN. This lets me play with Helix and Aeros without BB if I want.

 

Aeros —> 1/4 inch Out L Mono —> PC Input 2

 

Helix Global Settings 1/4 (line), XLR (line)

 

All can act independently or together in any combination. The powercab L6 cable helps because I have three inputs. Thanks for the help. I’ll keep following to read about your studio setup and your pedal board setup.