Guys, devastated you're cutting your hand off

[aimdayco]

Sorry team, but I think you're making a mistake by taking sides on the sexual agenda. Music isn't like that, it's an emotion where people derive their own pleasure from how the big picture sounds. Please don't end up a 'Bud Lite' or 'Target' or you will be one. Please focus on producing great sounds instead of distractions.

Love, Peace and Happiness

Mark

[DannyMcO]

Unless you're talking about the 2 year old Line 6 Facebook post on Alexandria Ashpond, I can only guess you're referring to Line 6's parent, Yamaha?  A Google search for either "lgbt" or "lgbtq" or "pride month" in the line6.com domain didn't reveal anything. I mean, its far from perfect, but I for one have no idea what you're talking about with Line 6 specifically.

But is it really that important to you? Why do you care? Nobody's trying to trick you into being gay -- or if they could ever be remotely successful even if they were.

While I was looking for the Line 6 post that you found offensive, I also took a look through the forums here, and while I see from your post above that Pride references somehow detract from your experience here, I can't seem to find the posts of yours that should logically follow that complain about things like Yahama's posts on Mother's Day, Father's Day, Black History Month, Autism Awareness Month, Hispanic Heritage Month post, Asian American & Pacific Islander Heritage Month, or any other segments of the population they make products for, like houses of worship.

So is your thought that Yamaha should just sit down and STFU about anything that isn't an actual musical instrument? That they shouldn't be involved in the communities of the people who buy and use their products? They should just focus on devices for "producing great sounds". That it shouldn't matter for them at a commercial level if some of the people Yamaha sponsors use their voice to speak out for LGBT equality/pride while they're also popularizing Yamaha products?

If that's your thought, then it seems you need to ignore that "In all its interactions with stakeholders, the Yamaha Group seeks through its business activities to exceed customer expectations and create excitement. Through activities grounded in the fields of sound and music, [Yamaha] will continue to share passion and performance and enrich culture along with people around the world.

Yamaha & its portfolio of companies does more than ruffle LGBT-related feathers of people who for whatever reason find it objectionable. Among other things, they also make donations of their gear to public school music programs - even though music education isn't what Yamaha does. They ensure that forestry supporting their businesses is environmentally sustainable, even though, financially, it probably doesn't matter to them. They help their employees raise money for charities including a children's hospital, and the American Cancer Society - all activities that have literally zero to do with actually "producing great sounds". 

But I don't see you writing about your concern for any of Yamaha's (or Line 6's, or whoever's) other non-LGBT, non-"producing great sounds" activities.

Yamaha or Line 6 or whoever it was that got your dander op with an LGBT post? They weren't aiming that at you. Similarly to the way they didn't aim the Mother's Day, Father's Day, Black History, Hispanic Heritage, AAPI, Autism awareness and/or worship posts at you (as appropriate).

If the fact that Yamaha or Line 6 or whoever has LGBT customers that they want to market to and acknowledge bothers you, and/or if the fact that LGBT customers of theirs might benefit from being marketed to/acknowledged, then it might be worthwhile to examine why it's only that one customer constituency that bugs you so much.

Because unless I'm missing something, it seems like all the Yamaha group posts about all their other customer constituencies have slipped right past you, unnoticed. 

[pianoguyy]

On 7/2/2023 at 10:49 PM, DannyMcO said:

Nobody's trying to trick you into being gay

Don't be so sure about that. I often have guys rubbing against me saying things like "try it, you may like it" and "how is a man's mouth different than a woman's". 

But that is a separate issue. 

 

On 7/2/2023 at 10:49 PM, DannyMcO said:

but I for one have no idea what you're talking about with Line 6 specifically.

 

I am assuming he is talking about the rainbow banner around the logo. 

 

 

 

[DannyMcO]

On 7/2/2023 at 11:03 PM, pianoguyy said:

Don't be so sure about that. I often have guys rubbing against me saying things like "try it, you may like it" and "how is a man's mouth different than a woman's". 

But that is a separate issue. 

Maybe you should stop hanging out in gay bars? 

Kidding.

But if a gay dude tried to use logic to convert me (which is what you're describing, rather than chicanery), it'd be even less effective than him trying to trick me, because there's both conscious ("There isn't anything someone can tell me that would make me prefer a man over a woman") and subconscious ("I'm hetero") thought involved.  Not that "tricking" me is even really an option to begin with.

I mean, can someone "trick" you into preferring something you 100% do not prefer? For instance, there's nothing anyone will ever be able to say, no information they can present me with and no trick they can pull on me that's ever gonna get me to love raw onions. Similarly, nobody's gonna get me to swap my orientation with anything less than some kind of MKULTRA level mind control. 

If it were possible to "trick" me into being gay or trans or whatever, then the problem wouldn't be that they were trying to trick me into being it, it'd be that I was trying to trick myself that my [closeted] sexual/gender identity wasn't actually true.

[pianoguyy]

Without hijacking the thread with a "polarizing" issue... 

Logic vs trickery aren't always separate issues. 

 

For example: 

Have you ever considered killing your mother? 

The correct answer is yes. For no reason other than... by me asking the question, you have therefore considered it. 

It is the Pandora's Box scenario, once you open it, it can never be closed.

This is no different than the questions I stated before. By asking the questions I mentioned, I am therefore considering it. It runs through the mind. Even if the answer is negative, I have considered it. 

Followed by the slippery slope... adding a little bit until it becomes accepted, then adding a little bit more and more, until eventually you have exactly what you wanted from the beginning but would never have gotten all at once. 

They are forms of trickery.