Using looper

[Rachz]

I just bought a helix floorboard,i am using a boss rc 30 looper,i use send and return to use the looper but when i use its like the volume goes down when i am not picking on the guitar,anyone seen this problem ? Is there snother way to hook up the looper so i can change track and still hear the looper,its irritating that i have to turn the looper on everytime i change the sound on the guitar.

thank u if anyone will help me.

i am from Denmark so i hope its clear what i write in English-lol

[Schmalle]

You can put the Loop Station after the Helix:

guitar -> Helix -> Loop Station -> amp / monitors

 

But if you use the Loop Station in the Helix fx loop (send and return) you need to activate it for every patch by inserting an FX Loop block.

[datacommando]

On 11/9/2024 at 11:38 PM, Rachz said:

I just bought a helix floorboard,i am using a boss rc 30 looper,i use send and return to use the looper but when i use its like the volume goes down when i am not picking on the guitar,anyone seen this problem ? Is there snother way to hook up the looper so i can change track and still hear the looper,its irritating that i have to turn the looper on everytime i change the sound on the guitar.

thank u if anyone will help me.

i am from Denmark so i hope its clear what i write in English-lol

Hi,

 

I have several external loopers that I use with my Helix floor, and one of them is a BOSS RC-30. I have not experienced a volume drop such as you mention, while using it in the Helix FX loop.

 

I generally have the FX loop, set to instrument level, positioned after any dirt pedals and the amp/cab block. The stereo returns from the RC-30 then feed into any time based effects in the signal path and out to my monitors.

 

I’m not sure what you mean when you say, “change track”, I guess you’re actually referring to changing Presets? If that is the case, then you need to have a Send/Return FX Loop block in every preset that wish to use with the RC-30. In situations like that it could be simple enough to set up a signal path with the block you want to use and then copy the preset to another slot where you can change the amp/cab and effects blocks as required. Duplicating presets is very easy.

 

If you are wanting to change a Preset, while your looper is still playing, then that won’t work because of the time it takes to switch presets, and the Helix will lose the connection to the external device while switching. This was an issue with the onboard looper in Helix, but it could work provided the the internal looper block was the same type, and in the same position within the signal chain of each preset being used.

 

There are so many different options within the Helix that it may be possible to configure your single preset to switch amps and effects all within the same patch. A little planning for what you want to achieve is a big help.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

EDIT:

A couple of years back there was a whole thread about where to add external loopers to a Helix, and I believe that I uploaded a sample preset for the BOSS RC-30. Go check it out.

 

 

Edited November 10 by datacommando
Added link

[Rachz]

Thsnk u all,i meant changing presets,is it poodible u can tell me very specific how to wire up my looper instrad of uding send/return ?

i am really new at this so dorry for the inconvenience.

[Rachz]

On 11/10/2024 at 7:10 AM, Schmalle said:

You can put the Loop Station after the Helix:

guitar -> Helix -> Loop Station -> amp / monitors

 

But if you use the Loop Station in the Helix fx loop (send and return) you need to activate it for every patch by inserting an FX Loop block.

I use 4 cable method,so i presume i can still use the method of hooking up my wiring as u say ?

bit the thing that my volume go down if i am not picking the guitar is very weird,have you ever heatd of that problem

thsnk u for your tesponse i appreciate that alot

[Rachz]

On 11/10/2024 at 2:42 PM, datacommando said:

Hi,

 

I have several external loopers that I use with my Helix floor, and one of them is a BOSS RC-30. I have not experienced a volume drop such as you mention, while using it in the Helix FX loop.

 

I generally have the FX loop, set to instrument level, positioned after any dirt pedals and the amp/cab block. The stereo returns from the RC-30 then feed into any time based effects in the signal path and out to my monitors.

 

I’m not sure what you mean when you say, “change track”, I guess you’re actually referring to changing Presets? If that is the case, then you need to have a Send/Return FX Loop block in every preset that wish to use with the RC-30. In situations like that it could be simple enough to set up a signal path with the block you want to use and then copy the preset to another slot where you can change the amp/cab and effects blocks as required. Duplicating presets is very easy.

 

If you are wanting to change a Preset, while your looper is still playing, then that won’t work because of the time it takes to switch presets, and the Helix will lose the connection to the external device while switching. This was an issue with the onboard looper in Helix, but it could work provided the the internal looper block was the same type, and in the same position within the signal chain of each preset being used.

 

There are so many different options within the Helix that it may be possible to configure your single preset to switch amps and effects all within the same patch. A little planning for what you want to achieve is a big help.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

EDIT:

A couple of years back there was a whole thread about where to add external loopers to a Helix, and I believe that I uploaded a sample preset for the BOSS RC-30. Go check it out.

 

 

Thank u alot i really appreciate your response,i use 4 cable method maybe that why i have the problem with my volume ?and u are right i meant changing presets,couldnt remember how to say it in English so i am sorry for my wrong way of saying that.

[Schmalle]

On 11/10/2024 at 11:17 PM, Rachz said:

I use 4 cable method,so i presume i can still use the method of hooking up my wiring as u say ?

bit the thing that my volume go down if i am not picking the guitar is very weird,have you ever heatd of that problem

thsnk u for your tesponse i appreciate that alot

Do you mean the volume of the looped parts get muted when you don't play the guitar?

Can you please give your signal flow / order of connection that you do?

guitar -> ...?

What amp do you use?

 

Use translate.google.com if you struggle with English.

[datacommando]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:20 PM, Rachz said:

Thank u alot i really appreciate your response,i use 4 cable method maybe that why i have the problem with my volume ?and u are right i meant changing presets,couldnt remember how to say it in English so i am sorry for my wrong way of saying that.

Som nævnt af "Schmalle" i indlægget ovenfor - Kan du venligst give dit signalflow / rækkefølge af forbindelse, som du gør?
guitar -> ...?
Hvilken forstærker bruger du?
 

Plus, hvis du kæmper med engelsk, kan du bruge Google Translate.
 

https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=translate
 

[Rachz]

On 11/10/2024 at 11:37 PM, Schmalle said:

Do you mean the volume of the looped parts get muted when you don't play the guitar?

Can you please give your signal flow / order of connection that you do?

guitar -> ...?

What amp do you use?

 

Use translate.google.com if you struggle with English.

yes the looped part gets mutes when i am not picking the guitar.
I use a fender cyber twin amp.100w

guitar-helix-helix send-amp input-helix out-amp return(i dont use send from amp)-send helix-output looper-return helix-inst.inn looper

this is my wiring

[Rachz]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:28 AM, datacommando said:

Som nævnt af "Schmalle" i indlægget ovenfor - Kan du venligst give dit signalflow / rækkefølge af forbindelse, som du gør?
guitar -> ...?
Hvilken forstærker bruger du?
 

Plus, hvis du kæmper med engelsk, kan du bruge Google Translate.
 

https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=translate
 

Jeg har ikke problemer med engelsk havde bare lige en hjerneprut,men tak for venligheden.

[Schmalle]

 

On 11/11/2024 at 1:41 PM, Rachz said:

yes the looped part gets mutes when i am not picking the guitar.
I use a fender cyber twin amp.100w

guitar-helix-helix send-amp input-helix out-amp return(i dont use send from amp)-send helix-output looper-return helix-inst.inn looper

this is my wiring

Unclear wiring description, this is what I understand:

guitar->helix in

helix send->amp input

helix out->amp return

(i dont use send from amp)

 

But what is does this mean?: "send helix-output looper-return helix-inst.inn looper"

[Rachz]

On 11/11/2024 at 3:11 PM, Schmalle said:

 

Unclear wiring description, this is what I understand:

guitar->helix in

helix send->amp input

helix out->amp return

(i dont use send from amp)

 

But what is does this mean?: "send helix-output looper-return helix-inst.inn looper"

First wiring is correct.

Look at picture in uploaded images regarding the looper.

 

[Schmalle]

Empty file, no picture.

[datacommando]

On 11/11/2024 at 5:16 PM, Rachz said:

Look at picture in uploaded images regarding the looper.

There is no picture - only a generic .php file.

 

Ensure that you upload a JPG or Pic file.

 

 

[Rachz]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:42 PM, datacommando said:

There is no picture - only a generic .php file.

 

Ensure that you upload a JPG or Pic file.

 

 

Helix send-input looper

helix return-output looper 

i think the confusion is thst i wrote what it actually says on back of the looper which is inst.inn.(instrument inn) 

[Schmalle]

Here is what I think is happening:

You described that you send a guitar signal to the Cyper Twin input with a Helix send. What this does is triggering the Cyber Twins input to open it's noise gate. That noise gate seems to be a special one that uses the input signal to cut noise after the Cyber Twin's fx loop. That would explain why you only hear the signal going in the Cyber Twin's return when you play.

 

If I'm seeing this correctly you need to disable the Cyber Twin's noise gate. Then you don't need the cable from Helix send to Cyber Twin input anymore nor the fx loop block for it in the patch.

[datacommando]

On 11/12/2024 at 3:45 AM, Rachz said:

Helix send-input looper

helix return-output looper 

i think the confusion is thst i wrote what it actually says on back of the looper which is inst.inn.(instrument inn) 

Hi Rachz,

 

I’m in agreement with @Schmalle in the post above.
 

I have read through the owner’s manual for the CyberTwin, which has very little information about the amps FX Loop, but what you describe is more than likely the action of the Fender amps Noise Gate. There is an LED on the front panel of the amp which lights up when the gate is active. For example, when you stop playing, if the LED is lit then that’s your issue and you can chose to adjust how the gate responds, or turn it off entirely.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.