minefield Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 I have a question regarding controlling Helix native with a midi item CC/PC messages in Reaper. I have successfully got it to select the playlist CC32 and preset PC (09) as per the documentation but when triggered by the timeline it toggles between factory and user playlists. Am i missing something somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 CC#0/32 are the MIDI specifiers for a BANK(SetList in Helix speak) change. A VALUE is required to specify the BANK/SetList#. Some devices use CC#0, some use CC#32, some respond to either. CC#32 tells Helix that the VALUE provided is the BANK/SetList#. You then follow with a PC# to specify the Preset in the specified BANK/SetList. CC#32 Value 0 = SetList 1 CC#32 Value 5 = SetList 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 I hace successfully got the CC/PC to work but everytime the event is triggered it toggles beween factory and the user setlist. test.mov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Your .mov link isn't found and your attachment is .php which is not supported. In the MIDI Event Editor go to ACTIONS and select "Insert bank/program select event. Enter the LSB (that means CC#32) VALUE (SetList#). Enter the Program #. If that doesn't work attach a screenshot of the Reaper MIDI Event Editor. Below toggles between two setlists and presets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 I appreciate your prompt reply. I don't want the midi message to toggle but just select the setlist and preset when triggered. here is the screen recording on dropbox. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y2yy3qq3ks8fn6nr47ftl/Screen-Recording-2025-10-24-at-11.30.44-am.mov?rlkey=mivehcakphjup8ps4sbsgz5sa&dl=0 and the Midi event editor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 TBH, I was wondering how you got Preset Changes to work at all. I didn't even know you could run the AU (MAC) version in Reaper, I thought that only worked in Logic. Since I'm on a PC I tested this on my physical Helix. When I try it in Reaper it doesn't work because Program Changes on VST/VST3 are not supported. @datacommando- you're a MAC dude, can you help this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 i does say in the pilots guide to use the AU version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Yes, I'm aware. As I said, I didn't know that Reaper could run the AU version even on a MAC. I have used the AAX version with ProTools, but I hate ProTools and, TBH, having the HW Helix, I only ever use Native for re-amping. But FWIW - changing SetLists and Presets works fine in ProTools with Native AAX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 No worries. Hopefully someone out there can successfully recreate what I am after. Otherwise ill just have to increase my track count ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 On 10/24/2025 at 6:39 AM, rd2rk said: @datacommando- you're a MAC dude, can you help this guy? A little late with the reply, but I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of days, and got a funeral next week. Ho hum, nobody gets out of here alive, and at our age I sometime you wonder if there is any point in leaving the cemetery! Yup, I’m a Mac jockey, but mainly with Logic, although I do have a few more DAWs (Reaper, Studio One, Ableton, GarageBand, Avid PTools, etc.) available as test beds for situations such as this. I will need to check this out when I get into the studio, and like you I generally use Native for re-amping duties rather than MIDI automation. First I will have a look at the Dropbox video for any clue. This may require some head scratching, unless anyone else can jump in on this a little quicker. L8rz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 I appreciate any assistance. Thanks for your help and sorry for your loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 10/25/2025 at 12:35 AM, minefield said: I appreciate any assistance. Hi, I got a little bit of time this afternoon to fire up Reaper to start to check out your MIDI issue. It has been such a long time since it had been loaded Reaper decided to collate/update all my plug-ins - around 300 including, my software instruments. Anyhow, it crossed my mind that you didn’t tell us what MIDI controller you are using to transmit the Control and Preset changes into Reaper. So, while Reaper was trawling through my VST/ AU folder, I had a quick look on YouTube and found this video. Not sure if this will cure your switching problem, but it seems to work just fine for this guy. Hope this helps/makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 Hi, Sorry for the delay in replying. On 10/24/2025 at 9:21 AM, minefield said: I have a question regarding controlling Helix native with a midi item CC/PC messages in Reaper. I don't want to use an external controller. I wish to use a midi item before the song so the playhead will trigger the events and select the preset. I have it working but the sequence of events toggles the preset between factory and user presets which makes it unusable for me. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y2yy3qq3ks8fn6nr47ftl/Screen-Recording-2025-10-24-at-11.30.44-am.mov?rlkey=mivehcakphjup8ps4sbsgz5sa&e=1&dl=0 the above is a link to a screen recording demonstrating the error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 While we're waiting for @datacommando, a couple of things. I've assumed that you are using the Reaper MIDI Editor to hand enter the MIDI events vs using an external controller to RECORD the MIDI events. There may have been some confusion over that. Try this. Place a MIDI Monitor on the Native track to see EXACTLY what is being sent to Native from the MIDI track. Take a screenshot of the MIDI Monitor so we can see exactly what is being sent. While it LOOKS like you have the Event List correctly configured to change to Setlist 3, maybe in this case confirmation might help track down the problem. *If your MIDI Monitor doesn't diisplay in decimal by default, see if there's a switch to make it do that. Translating from HEX is not a big deal, just annoying. EDIT: Factory 1 is by default Setlist 1 - CC#32 Value 0. User1 is by default Setlist 3 - CC#32 Value 2. The screen recording looks like it's starting in Setlist 3, then switching to Setlist 1. In both Setlists it's landing on Preset 10. This is not what your screenshot of the Event list is telling it to do, so something else is going on. Please follow my suggestion re the MIDI Monitor screenshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minefield Posted October 31 Author Share Posted October 31 I have sorted it out. I deleted the CC event and just used the pc to select the preset. It is now working as I need. I appreciate everyones help. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 That should only work if you're already in the proper Setlist. As long as that works for you, cool, but if it was me I'd want to know what was causing the problem in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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