POD HD - Re-Amping Tips & Tricks.

[NucleusX]

I thought I'd start a thread on the "re-amping" topic for the POD HD owners, and get everyone's

thoughts and idea's on the successful methods and approaches everyone has had, and exactly

what you did to achieve it. This subject could do with some in-depth enlightenment, Cheers.

[bjnette]

I think it is offered on the HDPRO units.

With a reamp device others could do it. But really it just becomes another distraction and too many choices can cripple 

creativity as well as engineering decisions.

I'm a firm believer in committing to a tone at the get go and 

choose various patches to get the least washouts from phase cancellations.

[NucleusX]

Some of us (including me), are not so impressed with the POD HD's cabinet IR's, so there's a need for re-amping, even

if you don't want a piece of it. I guess my query is directed towards those that DO use it, and not to those that don't.

But I will agree, too many choices and options can drain you of inspiration, been there too often.

[sulkbooth]

A good place to start would be to describe what reamping is/does :) and why you should do it.

For those who don't know, I mean  :)

[NucleusX]

As the POD HD does not have loadable IR's for custom use, the only way to use custom IR's for

recording is to bypass the cabinet on the POD HD completely, and send signal off to the DAW

that has custom cabinet plugins and IR's for processing, which tends to be a better result for most.

Some of you may have wondered why some POD HD units have SPDIF out ? It has the option to

send either dry or wet signals from the POD HD and can be used for re-amping purposes.

This output can be used in other ways too, but for the purpose of this thread, I think it best to

stick to how people use this exclusively for cabinets and IR's to get around those on the POD HD.

[sulkbooth]

OK, my interpretation of reamping is to record a completely dry signal. With my HD500 I do this wasily, SPDIF out dry. Record it simultainously with the wet output. 

This I do so I can send the dry recording back to my HD500 if I'm not happy with the guitar or bass sound later in the recording process. 

[NucleusX]

_BUMP_ :P Comon peeps don't be scared.

 

Has anyone tried using the POD HD's USB interface in tandem with a proper interface for this kinda thing ?

Problem for me unfortunately is that neither my PC soundcard or USB interface has an RCA SPDIF

input, only optical TOS-Links, so I'm looking for a solid alternative to getting this done right.

[Brazzy]

_BUMP_ :P Comon peeps don't be scared.

 

Has anyone tried using the POD HD's USB interface in tandem with a proper interface for this kinda thing ?

Problem for me unfortunately is that neither my PC soundcard or USB interface has an RCA SPDIF

input, only optical TOS-Links, so I'm looking for a solid alternative to getting this done right.

 

This may help a bit. If you want to see the whole thread >>>>http://line6.com/support/topic/4646-reamping-with-hd500-how/

 

silverhead

Uber Guru

 

Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:09 PM

Here's how I would set it up and use it to record a dry signal from the HD500, then use the HD500 as a reamp device:

 

Setup:

- connect your Audio 6 interface to your DAW, and configure your DAW accordingly

- connect your HD500 s/pdif output to your interface s/pdif input. Configure your HD500 so that the s/pdif output sends the dry signal.

- connect your HD500 analog outputs to your interface analog inputs. I would use the balanced XLR connections.

- do not connect your HD500 via usb to your computer

 

Recording:

- select the HD500 preset that you would like to use to monitor your sound while recording.

- arm a track for recording in your DAW and select your interface's s/pdif input to record

- optionally, if you also want to record the wet track arm another track (stereo) for recording and select your interface's analog inputs to record

- play and record your take

 

Reamping:

- connect one of your interface's analog mono outputs to your HD500 Guitar or Aux input. Use a different channel than the one(s) being used for the HD500 analog output connections.

- route the dry signal in your DAW to the analog output above for playback

- select the HD500 preset that you want to use to reamp the signal, and select the Input for the preset to match your physical input above

- arm a new stereo track in your DAW for recording your reamped signal. Select your interface's analog inputs to record, assuming your HD500 -> interface analog connections are still in place

- tweak you HD500 preset as desired, and repeat the reamp procedure, until you are satisfied with the reamped tone.

 

That should do it!

Have fun!

[NucleusX]

I actually did manage to find that thread before creating this one, and

it is helpful to some extent. Problem being, that solution requires the

RCA SPDIF method to get it going, which I don't have on my interface.

 

The gear I have at the moment is as follows..

 

POD HD Pro.

Creative - X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro. (1/8 Line ins/outs, TOS-Link ins/outs)

Steinberg - UR22. (1/4 inch ins/outs, USB).

 

All above items are able to run @96khz using ASIO drivers within DAW.

 

Originally, the only solution to this hardware config I could think of, was to

use the USB interface on the HD Pro primarily for re-amping (if that's viable),

and run 1/4inch outs from the HD Pro into the Steinberg USB interface for the

final wet signal that will be recorded by the DAW, in real-time. I'd like to maintain

both Left and Right paths as a stereo path on both, rather than splitting the

signals to mono in path A and B within the HD Pro, which i've read about.

 

How would you go about it ?

[duncann]

You could get a cheap spdif rca to optical converter. I have the same soundcard (it's the one with the front panel) and use a cheap converter to make use of the digital connection, not for reamping though. Although it does suck to have yet another power brick.

[bjnette]

Yeah it is annoying how sp/dif protocol is either toslink or rca. I have had to use those converters in the past. They aren't too expensive but as dunncan mentions extra wall warts etc! and wires.

[NucleusX]

I have considered one of those, would that be adding an extra conversion to the

process, and extra latency ? Ideally, I'd like to have the fewest conversions in-line.

[bjnette]

I never noticed any added latency as it is digital in digital out not sure what happens but toslink is optical .

I think M-audio made a more costly converter that did both convert from toslink to RCA and vice versa.

 

 

 

Back to reamping;

To me if you are reamping you are using a HD for a instant satisfaction tone to play the part to but you record dry using the sp/dif or DI out in HDPro or use a DI spliter with a feed to DAW using anothor HD model.

Then when you have a mates great amp or even hire one you reamp your tracks and mic the results. You might use pedals as well or even the HD for FX

 

If you want a more affordable reamp box http://www.diyrecordingequipment.com/4085/how-to-build-diy-reamp/

[NucleusX]

I have a Radial passive re-amping box, that pretty much does the same thing as your DIY link there, and

the thing is great for re-amping dry signals to other amps. Not sure, but I may have my terminologies

wrong, so excuse my noobness. The goal I'm trying to achieve, is to use some front-end FX within the

HD Pro, then send that signal off into the DAW for amp and cabinets/IR's with VST plugins, then send

that back out to the HD Pro for post-amp FX, then back out to the DAW again for final recording.

The DAW can support multiple ASIO audio devices simultaneously, so I can see it being possible.

One audio device can be used to control the ins and outs of VST plugins, and the other is the main

audio device the DAW will use for recording, I have a feeling the FX Loop on the HD Pro will be needed.

Can the USB interface on the HD Pro be used as an FX Loop ? I wonder...

[NucleusX]

Nevermind, I figured it out on my own, thanks anyways.

Moderator can delete this thread, was going nowhere.

[bjnette]

Well the topic was a good one.

But if it is only for how you have just described!!!!WHY?

You don't need a POD HD if you are doing it in the DAW.

That 'l give you that going nowhere feeling for sure.

[NucleusX]

I felt it was a good topic, and maybe too much, and I appreciate the posts from the very few that participated.

This is a subject that seems to be beyond the walls of "Line6 gear", and into the realm of sound engineering.

So for that reason, the little input given here was a sign to move onto more specialized sources of information.

[bjnette]

I agree, reamping is just that.

You record a dry signal and use the POD for some tone to play.

It is great for preventing spill when recording the drummer and the rest have headphones and singer in iso booth.

 

When you got your album recorded take those dry recordings and run them thru a sweet amp with a high end recording chain.

There is nothing like capturing some air moving that is for sure.

 

If you don't have a bunch of amps but have the POD and I think this is what your using it for, set it up with either amp or FRFR and record via a high end recording chain.

 

But you could do this for fun and practice your engineering chops and reamp into the POD HD via an amp and speaker mic'd.

Depends how you work and is favored by a few engineers.

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