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  1. njglover

    Helix For Bass

    I have a similar setup to OP, a 400+ that I run into a Markbass 1x15 (Randy Jackson cab). On it's own, that setup is great, but that head is so freaking heavy and christ is it expensive to retube (fortunately I got Guitar Center to pay for that when I bought it used). The last (also first) gig I played with the Helix live I used my real rig for stage monitoring and ran the 400+ model out of the Helix for FOH. I got some really nice compliments on my tone from people in the crowd, one guy in the other band couldn't believe I was feeding FOH with an all modeled tone. I will say that I noticed that when messing with it through headphones I thought the Muff model would have enough bass but it seriously cuts that through a proper rig, so I had to EQ on the fly. I'll probably try to set up a split path when I get a chance... I'm also really liking sticking an SVT preamp in the chain to use as a dirt pedal. I would love to be able to bring just the Helix to a gig, but I feel like it will sou d dumb on stage through monitors...
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    headphone sound

    So I think the issue here is the OP is comparing headphones to a DT25, which is a guitar amp. Generally speaking, guitar speakers do not produce frequencies above 14 or 15 kHz, or at least not very well. But your headphones do. So of course it's going to sound less bright and less harsh out of a guitar speaker because it simply isn't producing those bright frequencies. I find that a hi cut on the cab model at 14 kHz eliminates the harshness in the headphones and overall makes the guitar tone sound more like a real amp in the first place (since, in all honesty, the cab models shouldn't be producing frequencies that high anyway). I suspect that is the issue, not the headphones. You could also try some cab IRs, I find that those need very little tweaking and sound good in both headphones and through an FRFR.
  3. And if so, how are you running it? Straight to the PA and monitoring out of the wedges? In-ears? One line to the PA and one to an amp? Effects only? I set up a preset to run a signal with no amp models out of the 1/4" jack to go to my amp for a stage monitor but a modeled output (basically modeling my same amp) out of the XLRs to go to FOH. The thought was that there was no way I'd be able to hear myself on stage without a real amp up there with me, but the exact opposite seemed to be true. Granted this engineer seemed not to really know what he was doing, but for our first song he had the bass cranked in the monitors. I have never even heard bass in the monitors at all before last night. It was thin, for sure, but I could definitely hear myself. So now I am curious how other people might be using it. On the one hand, it would certainly be easier to just bring a bass and the Helix, on the other hand it would probably sound really boring on stage without a proper amp rumbling the floor. (Keep in mind that I am mostly talking about places that have proper PAs. Obviously I would have to use my amp at smaller venues without a real system)
  4. The K10 is much better overall, the K12 is too bass-heavy. Plus the K10 has a wider coverage angle, which is handy when I'm using it as a wedge behind me.
  5. I can't really say for sure, the headphones are also a little picky with exactly how they are positioned on my head, so who knows. Maybe the bassiness just sounded better in headphones, or maybe the speaker is more exaggerated. Either way, seems to work well in both now, so yay for IRs!
  6. Actually everything still sounds good through my cans. I'm using Shure SRH840 headphones. I think the issue was that the K10 is producing lower frequencies than the cans are.
  7. Oooo I can set it to instrument level for 1/4" and line level for XLR and then set the volume knob to control digital ie neither. I wonder how well that will work... Being global makes it really handy for shows where I have to run my own FRFR, can change it very easily. Thanks!
  8. No way! I should do that for all my guitar patches...
  9. Can you set the XLR out to just be line level out then? Sorry, I'm not super familiar with that aspect of the device.
  10. This is maybe a dumb question, but... I'm totally on board with using the Helix live with my guitar, I'm just not sure yet how to best incorporate it into my live bass setup. Since I don't really want to rely on hearing myself through some dinky little monitors, I'm still going to want to bring my amp and cab, but I would also like to run a modeled output from the Helix to front of house. That way I have my 400+ on stage with me and a fully modeled (with cab) 400+ going to the mains. It seems easy enough, just run a Y-split and set one output to the 1/4" jacks and the other to the XLRs but... well, the problem I suppose is monitoring when practicing at home. I have to use headphones for practice, since I am in an apartment, and splitting the signal like that makes headphone listening not work very well. I guess I could set up a separate preset for that and just have it be all modeled... Any better ideas? The other question is making sure my levels are set right for going in to the actual amp. Is all the way up unity gain? Not really sure how best to set that, I would like to have an easy way to get repeatable output volume so I'm always hitting the front of the amp the same as I would plugging my bass directly in.
  11. Well, yes, I was expecting it to be different. Just boomier than I expected, I use nice studio monitoring headphones. Ah well, fixed now :p
  12. Edited original post to add my least favorite quirk that I totally forgot about in the moment: "The last quirk, and this is a bit of an oddity, is that when you split your path, the unit decreases the the output of each path by what seems to be 3 dB. This makes sense if you are running a Y-split, i.e. running both routes at the same time, but when you switch to an A/B split with the intention of toggling between the two, your total output volume is reduced. Confusingly, the merge block shows the output as 0 dB, i.e. no change. I have found that increasing it to + 3 dB mitigates the automatic volume drop. Hopefully Line 6 will fix this behavior in a future update as it is not very obvious what is going on."
  13. As mentioned above, that is very true. However, you can still adjust high and low cut with the IRs and at least the Ownhammer IRs come with 10 different samples per mic, which is to say 10 different mic positions per mic, so while it's certainly not as convenient as just adjusting the position in the cab block, I would wager that, like me, you will find that there is basically only one position and one mic that you care about for a given cab. You can, of course, still load up several variations just in case. You may find the built in ones work well for you, and as I said, I think you can get really close with them, but for me that last little bit of authenticity is elusive without the IRs. That, plus the fact that if they are truly using IRs, then I'm not sure what weird V30 they found that is even capable of producing some of the frequencies theirs does. I have played V30s pretty much exclusively for the past 5 or 6 years and not a one I have used sounds like that.
  14. Would you believe that I always had trouble meeting page requirements for papers in school? As in, could never find enough to say to fill all the pages I was supposed to. Ah well, what can I say, I like the Helix :p
  15. Yeah, I ran into the same problem but the Command Center fixes it. Make sure you're in the right place and you have the right switch selected, part of my problem is that I forgot the bank switches count as switches.
  16. (Reposted from the Gear Page for easier reference) I apologize, this ended up being kind of long... Before I dive into the review proper, let me take a minute to provide some background on who I am so you can understand where I'm coming from. I have been playing guitar for about 13 years or so (gigging for about 8 years) and in that time I have been through a lot of gear in my quest for "the tone." I started with a Gibson The Paul and a Crate something or other solid state combo, eventually swapped amps for a Blues Jr, then a Vox Night Train (both of those amps I ended up modding), Orange Thunder 30, Mesa/Boogie Roadster, Orange Rockerverb 50 combo, and finally Orange Rockerverb 100. I've also got a Vox AC4 and a Fender Greta, but I am selling those... I've also been through several cabs, but the rig I have settled on is the Roadster through an Orange PPC212OB. Easily my favorite analog rig, though I will never get rid of my Rockerverb, either. I've also been through quite a few guitars - after the Gibson came a G&L Legacy, then a Deluxe Strat, Music Man Luke 3, PRS Custom 24, a guitar I built including custom pickups, and a standard Strat with a rosewood neck (to match the Luke, PRS, and custom guitar). I rock a PT-Pro pedal board and have easily at least 20 pedals to choose from, including both custom-made, modified, discontinued, and limited-edition pedals. I have also tried out several modeling solutions, from the Line 6 M-series of stompbox modelers (I actually have a very in-depth demo series on YouTube for those) to their HD500 as well as PC solutions like Amplitube, Guitar Rig, and Studio One. The point I am trying to make is that I consider myself a bit of a tone snob. I endlessly tweak the knobs on my Roadster in an attempt to get everything "just right" and routinely mark up my pedals so that I can reset the knobs after they get moved in transit. This is basically where modeling comes in for me. My dream has always been (and if you look at my posting history you can verify this) to have a rig where everything is controlled by presets. I HATE the idea that one of my amp's knobs might shift in transport. All those months of tweaking ruined! To that end, my latest endeavor was to move my pedals to a rack using a series of Source Audio products that aren't actually available yet to control the entire thing. My Source Audio pedals can store presets and the ones that can't could either be MIDI controlled (Whammy) or switched remotely. Having the pedals in a rack would keep the knobs from moving, meaning that my settings would remain consistent from one show to the next. As you might imagine, the idea of a modeler is thus very appealing to me, however I have been sorely disappointed in the past and could never quite justify shelling out for an Axe-FX (which seems to be responsible for many of my favorite pro tones). I am about to move into an apartment with my fiancee which, as you might imagine, will make it very difficult to to rock out with my Roadster. Furthermore, we will still be using my mom's house as our practice space. As I will now be nearly an hour from there, the idea of having to go all the way out there to grab my gear for a show that may be in the total opposite direction is not very appealing and I don't really have room in the apartment to just store my ridiculous rig. So this seemed like a perfect reason to revisit modeling. Enter the Helix (and I'm very sorry it took so long to get here). I actually thought, after much research (i.e. looking up opinions online) that Fractal's AX-8 would be the way to go for me, since the Axe-FX seems to be what all the cool kids are using, but on the advice on someone on this board, I figured I might as well pick up a Helix and give it a test drive while stuck on the AX-8 wait list. After all, the Helix is objectively cooler. Not only is it far easier to program on the unit, but scribble strips! I always make sure any setup I bring out live is "drunk proof," which is to say that it needs to be so easy to figure out that even when I am drunk and half asleep I can still figure out what button to push. Scribble strips are the perfect solution for that. Time to solo? Hit the solo button! Idiotically simple. So anyway, I ordered a Helix expecting it to not be great (after my experience with the HD500) but willing to give it a shot anyway. On first opening it, it is definitely very cool. I am a big technology nerd, so as you might imagine, all the screens and programmable lights really appeal to me. It's also really solidly built. Supposedly people have had issues with the footswitches on older Line 6 modelers, but I can't see that being a problem here. All the hardware is really nice. So I sat down and played through the presets, as I'm sure most people would, and came away really impressed. This was definitely not the HD500 that had so disappointed me before. So far, so good. The next step, since I had a show the next week, was to really dive in and program all the sounds I would need. This is also a really good way to truly test the capabilities of the unit, especially since I wanted to be able to do some fairly complex switching (like I said, gotta make it drunk proof). Just for reference, here is one of the more complicated presets I wanted to set up (though other songs became more complicated as I realized I was no longer limited to the capabilities of an analog rig): Intro - Rectifier with delay, reverb, and volume pedal for swells Verse/chorus - Rectifier with reverb Solo - Rectifier with volume boost, 5th up harmony, delay, and reverb Outro - Rectifier with 5th up harmony and reverb Remember, since I am making things drunk proof, that means I need to be able to do these switches with one pedal. So in our example, that meant setting up an A/B split to keep all the solo stuff on one path, but also having to set up a second harmony effect and a second delay effect because it is not possible to assign the same effect to multiple switches. Since I want harmony without delay, that means I need those to be on separate switches, but since I also want to be able to turn both on with one switch... anyway, you see how it becomes complicated. But what's the point of having a fancy modeler if you're just going to use it like a regular pedal board? Boring. Here are some thing I discovered along the way (good and bad). First, it really is amazingly simple to program, however, I got the floorboard model (all-in-one unit) and it does get a little tiring sitting on the floor hunched over trying to set everything up. I believe they are working on editor software that will help with this problem, but in the meantime, I suppose I could also just put it up on a table while working on patches. One thing that is not always straightforward, though, is renaming those scribble strips. In the manual, it says that is done in the Footswitch Assign menu, however it turns out that is only true if the thing assigned is a block's bypass function. If, say, the only things assigned to that pedal are parameters (for example, a solo boost that increases the gain and master volume), you have to go in to the Command Center, select the switch, and rename it there. Once you know it works that way, it's not terribly difficult, but I feel it would be far easier to just make it an option when you touch and hold a switch. Navigating is mostly done with the joystick, which generally works fine, but I do think a separate set of arrow buttons would have been better. It can be tricky to navigate left/right/up/down without also turning the knob. However, I think Line 6 anticipated this and seems to have set it so that if you do turn the knob while trying to navigate, the knob portion seems to deactivate so you don't accidentally alter a parameter. The last quirk, and this is a bit of an oddity, is that when you split your path, the unit decreases the the output of each path by what seems to be 3 dB. This makes sense if you are running a Y-split, i.e. running both routes at the same time, but when you switch to an A/B split with the intention of toggling between the two, your total output volume is reduced. Confusingly, the merge block shows the output as 0 dB, i.e. no change. I have found that increasing it to + 3 dB mitigates the automatic volume drop. Hopefully Line 6 will fix this behavior in a future update as it is not very obvious what is going on. Moving past the operation of the unit, let's talk about tones. The first thing you are likely to do is figure out what amp you want on the preset. For most people, I suspect the natural thing to do is to pick one of the Amp+cab settings since that puts everything conveniently on one block. However, I would caution against doing that. For one, it will help with your DSP resources to be able to move the cab to the second path. More importantly, placing effects between the amp and the cab is crucial to getting things to sound "real." When you set up a reverb, putting it after the cab gets you a big stereo delay, but it sounds tacked on. If you put it before the cab, it becomes mono, sure, but it also sounds like it's coming from the amp. It becomes part of the tone instead of an afterthought. Similarly, when working with harmonies, this allows the cab to filter out some of the harsh overtones that come from shifting up distorted notes. Speaking of cabs, I generally find the built in ones require a bit of tweaking before they start sounding more believable. When setting up my Rectifier tones, I was initially a bit disappointed. It definitely sounded like a Rectifier, but there was a lot of harsh fizziness, some extra top end that just isn't there in a real rig. What I discovered is that, for some reason, the Helix's cabs are putting out frequencies that real guitar speakers just don't. For example, a Vintage 30 starts rolling off frequencies around 14 kHz. So does an SM-57, but the model for that mic seems unnaturally bright. I found that moving the high cut for the cabs down to 14 kHz and the low cut up to about 90 Hz really made the frequency response a lot more realistic. I also brought the early reflections up to about 20% and that fixed a lot of my issues (we'll talk more about the cabs later). The amps are probably the most critical feature of this unit and I really have to commend Line 6 for those. While they may not perfectly replicate the real thing (for example, a real Rectifier has like a thousand different modes), they get really, really close. One crucial aspect where most modelers have suffered is in feel, and these amps just FEEL real. They respond exactly like I'd expect them to. The tweed model is just as nasty as the tweed mode on my Roadster. The Rectifier chugs, the tweeds growl, the Soldano wails... everything is just right. My only sort of gripe is that I don't think the tone controls respond exactly like the real ones, which is to say that one would think that I could theoretically match my real Rectifier's settings to the ones here and get the same results, but that simply isn't the case. Nitpicks aside, I really have nothing bad to say about the amps. A+ work, guys. I am a little disappointed that there isn't a Rockerverb model, though... Effects are going to be the next big thing for most users, and I think that there is overall a pretty good selection, but in some ways there is a lot of room for improvement. I have found the tape delay to be absolutely superb in every way, and that's coming from something of a delay snob - my two delays are a Way Huge Echopuss (limited edition version!) and a Source Audio Nemesis. But the tape delay is really that good. I haven't even bothered with any of the others, there's just no reason to. I am happy to say that the modulation effects are very flexible and Line 6 was kind enough to add wet/dry mix controls to pedals that don't originally have them, meaning I can dial in just the right amount of Phase 90. The harmonizer works really well and the Whammy tracks nicely, the wahs all seem wah-like (I'm not much on wahs, so I can't comment on that), and the compressors offer some really great options on both ends of the spectrum - super squish or super transparency. The problem for me is in the distortion section. Fans of overdrives and distortions will likely not be disappointed as there is a plethora of options to choose from, but there is a pretty poor selection of fuzz boxes. Yes, we have the staples like Big Muff, Fuzz Factory, Fuzz Face, and Octavia, but that's it. As a Fuzz Factory owner, I can say that the model here is definitely reminiscent of the real thing, but it isn't really the same. I don't think that will surprise anyone, as the Fuzz Factory really has to be plugged directly into a passive guitar to work properly (how are you supposed to model that kind of interaction?), but just be aware that you won't be able to control the obnoxious squealing in the same way you would with the real thing. I really hope they expand the selection down the road. The Swollen Pickle, Malekko's B:Assmaster or Plus Ultra, Keeley's Fuzz Head, even some alternate Big Muff variations would all be welcome additions. In the meantime, it does at least have some effects loops where we can route our old analog fuzzes. So here's where we get to the big question: how is it in actual use? Is it a viable replacement for my expensive analog rig? The short answer is yes, the long answer is a little more complicated. My goal with the modeler was to be able to completely replace my entire rig. Instead of hauling a 100-watt head, 2x12, and giant pedal board in flight case to every show, I want to bring just the modeler and, if necessary, a powered speaker. Imagine being able to get my entire rig in the door in one trip! To that end, I would say that the Helix, as it comes out of the box, gets me about 80% of the way there. The shortage of fuzzes is definitely a factor, but not a deal breaker as I currently only need fuzz for one song. The big issue is the cabs. As mentioned earlier, they require a fair bit of tweaking to sound more real. At my first practice with the unit, after a week of tweaking my tones in headphones, suddenly everything became majorly bass heavy through the PA speaker (a QSC K10). That's when I started bringing in the low cut, which helped, but again, something was just off. The 57 model is too bright, the V30 doesn't have the same crunchy mids the real thing does, and everything was just so boomy. Fortunately, there is a solution: IRs. I downloaded Ownhammer's free sampling (conveniently just the cab I wanted) and the difference was incredible. Suddenly my Rectifier went from pretty close to nearly exactly what I was used to hearing! Gone was the boominess, the mids restored, the harsh highs smoothed out. I bought the 1x12 and 4x10 Fender cabs, too, and now I can honestly say the Helix gets me probably 99% of the way there. With IRs, it is a legitimate full rig replacement. I could even record with this thing, and I probably will. So let me close out with a short story. My bassist is the snobbiest tone snob I know. He was a skeptic the whole way and has tried to keep me away from modelers for years. He is constantly trying to get me to "upgrade" to a 4x12. His own rig, in it's ultimate form, is a dual-amp rig with an 8x10 and a 2x15. He has more pedals on his board than I do, including one of his three or four Russian Muffs (which, to his credit, do all sound slightly different), he owns the absurdly expensive D.A.M. Ezekiel, probably 7 slightly different Stingrays, and is having Ashdown build him a custom two-channel tube amp. Last night we played our first show since I bought the Helix at a small bar with not much in the way of a PA, so I had to bring the K10. After the show, I asked the guys what they thought, and, giving it probably the highest praise he is capable of, the bassist said, "I couldn't tell the difference." So well done, Line 6. But don't stop improving it, please :) Update 12/20/2016: I have now been using the Helix as my only piece of gear (outside of the guitar - which is now a Variax, BTW) for many months and can officially say that it is the best gear investment I have made. The fuzzes still need some improving, but some of the ones added since my original review - and further experimentation with Y splits when using with bass - have yielded "good enough" results, at least for live use. Line 6 has also added the Archon, easily the best sounding amp on the Helix IMO. I am still using IRs most of the time, though more out of a lack of desire to change things than anything. I also use the Helix as my entire bass rig and have since complimented it with a G10 wireless, which I also love. It has now been 9 months with the Helix and I find more to like about it all the time. Not only that, but it instilled a new confidence in Line 6 for me, so much so that my entire guitar rig is now Line 6 - Variax + Helix - and my bass rig is all Line 6 except the bass - Stingray + G10 + Helix. It has been a bit of a gateway drug for me. What it all boils down to, for me, is this: I COULD play my PRS US Custom 24 through my Mogami Platinum cable into a PT Pro equipped with a custom Fuzz Factory 7, Royal Beaver, Whammy DT, Orbital Modulator, Dimension Reverb, and Nemesis delay, going into my Mesa/Boogie Roadster head running into my Orange PPC212OB. These are all things I have already. But I have no DESIRE to. I have no NEED to. Line 6 has provided all I need and more in one little box, and that box is the Helix.
  17. You can disagree all you want, but I've worked there. There is no conspiracy. The vast majority of prices are the same because, as mentioned above, the manufacturer says "this is the lowest you can advertise the product." By and large, that lowest price is what the retailer ends up selling them for. Also as mentioned above, many of these companies are actually the same company, so of course the price is the same. If a product is in short supply, there is no good reason to discount it since people will be glad to pay whatever they are asking just to get the product. At Guitar Center, the in-store prices update every week. There is a whole department whose sole job is scouring other retailers to see what they are selling things at and see if it makes sense to match those prices, especially since they have a rather generous price match policy (easier to just have the same price than to have to match it at the register, speeds up the sale). At the end of the day, every retailer is going to want to sell the product at the highest price they think people will buy it at because that makes them the most money. Supply and demand dictates that if demand is high and supply is low, keep the price high. If supply is high and demand is low, lower the price. And if supply pretty much meets demand, not much reason to change anything. The biggest reason you will see any retailer discount product is if they got a special deal with the manufacturer that allowed them to purchase the gear at a lower cost. For example, Guitar Center has a lot of buying power, so they can afford to buy, say, 10,000 SM58 mics. Shure might cut them a break and lower the cost, therefore Guitar Center can sell them cheaper without losing profit, while the smaller retailers with less buying power have to sell higher to maintain the same profit. So again, it's not a conspiracy. It's simple economics. If they know they can make more money, they are going to.
  18. No, they cannot legally require you to sell it at a certain price. When I worked at GC, the Bose rep made it very, very clear that they are not allowed to do that and to never tell customers that they were requiring it.
  19. Helix requires a bit more fiddling but... Just for another point of comparison, here are my normal rigs: Pedal board: -Pedaltrain PT-pro in flight case -Digitech Whammy DT -Royal Beaver -Source Audio Nemesis Delay -Source Audio Orbital Modulator -Source Audio Dimension Reverb -Malekko Compressor -Boss TU-3 -Voodoo Lab Pedal Power Mondo Pretty sure that's already over $1500 Amps that I might use: -Orange Rockerverb 100 (well over $1500) -Mesa/Boogie Roadster (well over $1500) -Orange PPC212OB cab (about $700 or so, I think) So, yeah. Helix doesn't really do perfect replications of any of that, but in my week with it I've found that I can get close enough to cover everything I need and I can now bring my entire rig in one trip. Even if I include the QSC K10 that I'll be using in venues without real PAs, it's almost certainly still cheaper.
  20. I wouldn't call it a fib, they probably just didn't understand the difference. I know I didn't when I worked retail. But it is important, since a manufacturer REQUIRING a price is price fixing, which is illegal. I don't see that there is a huge difference between the two, personally, but legally there is. And the competition comes from the service provided from the retailers, as in who is actually the better retailer, not just who is providing the better price. Which, IMO, is a far better way to compete. If you only buy from someone because it's cheaper and not because they gave you a better experience, then they haven't really earned a customer. Sweetwater offers their warranty included, Amazon has Prime shipping, Guitar Center and MF have options for better coverage plus you can go to a store and talk to someone. You spend your dollars based on the experience, not the price offered.
  21. Oh, you know what, I'm an idiot, I forgot that the bank switches count as switches. Footawitch 8 is one over... Cool, got it! Thanks. Still, could be more obvious documentation on this one. So really just the merge levels is the only real issue.
  22. That is precisely the problem, though. I'm working with a button that doesn't control any blocks, only parameters, amp gain and output volume. The only way to change the name is to assign it a block or command. I can not find any way to change the name of a switch that only has parameters assigned to it, and that is a problem.
  23. Okay, so I have tried some things out. Responding to my issues by number: 1) I went in to the command center but I still have to have the footswitch assigned to a command in order to change the name. Even still, as I said, having the rename option in the touch and hold menu would be a much more sensible place for it anyway. 2) As suggested, selecting by touching the footswitch does work! So problem solved. I'm not sure if there would be a more elegant solution to this anyway. 3) Easy, if not obvious, fix. It seems that the splits are, indeed, reduced by about 3 dB, so simply raising the level on the merge block to +3 dB fixes the level mismatch. However, it would be better if 0 dB was, in fact, 0 change. If they are going to lower it by default, that should be shown as -3 dB. It would also be handy to have an option to toggle this behavior, so maybe we could choose (as I would) to have it default to no change in level. Or at least, it would make more sense for a y-split to default to -3 dB (since y splits are more likely to be used for dual paths) and A/B splits default to 0 dB, since those will mostly be used for choosing between two separate paths.
  24. I think the issue is that I didn't realize that meant selected by touching the switch. I tried scrolling over to it with the joystick and assumed that selecting it there was the same thing. In fact, that's exactly why I was so confused, didn't even occur to me to select by touching the switch.
  25. So that actually works then? That's amazing! I'll have to try it when I get home. Seems like really the issue here is they need to spell things out a little better in the manual.
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