alex_wahwah Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Hi !I have a Helix which i wanna use with the 4CM method with a Friedman Brown eye I have downloaded "VMONCEBAIZ" 4CM2 and 4CM3 patches (http://line6.com/customtone/tone/1604604/) . The amp sound how it's supposed to. I have also downloaded some other presets of his and others , but even if i close all the effects , i put send retruns instead of amps and cabs , all the other patches sound a bit different than 4cm2 and 3 . I have also put only send and return in one patch and it too sound different ( same as all other presets ) . Please help me , i dunno what to do , i tried everyhing , i also spent a lot of time figuring out how to insert an EXT AMP block but now i know . I have tried with removing the global eq , is not that . It something in those 2 patches that make the amp sound right . Al the others loose some of the treble and are a very little bit louder, and the sound is less organic ! Thanks a lot for the help Best Regards Alex ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 <p> Hi ! I have a Helix which i wanna use with the 4CM method with a Friedman Brown eye Are you sure you bought an amp? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_wahwah Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 haha i guess so :)))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_wahwah Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 So for whom wants to help ! In this archive there are some presets - RIFF , SOLO LEAD and CLEAN are based on VMONCEBAIZ patches ( 4cm 2 and 4CM3 ) ... wit this ones the amp sounds full - STEREO KELLEN , WISH YOU WERE HERE and JTM LEAD are also VMONCEBAIZ presets, but they sound different even if i matched everything - Others are mine , but as you can see , they will also sound different , even if UEW PRESET is just a send and return ! From what I hear, sounds like a buffer somewhere , the difference is not huge in terms of volume , but is in terms of sound quality and frequency. It sounds plastic somehow ! Please help, is my first time going digital and i already feel my geek level has doubled :)) Archive.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagmusenmagnus1 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I would love to help, but it is hard to know what is wrong from your description. Can you make a video with sound explaining how youve set up and what the sound is like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_wahwah Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Apparently if i set the return on MY PATCHES to 100 MIX the sound is good , but on VMONCEBAIZ the return is set to standard 50%. I will record a video to show clearly , maybe someone else will find himself stuck here ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmntshredder Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Apparently if i set the return on MY PATCHES to 100 MIX the sound is good , but on VMONCEBAIZ the return is set to standard 50%. I will record a video to show clearly , maybe someone else will find himself stuck here ! The return has to be set at 100% for 4cm. You will have phase issues if not, which is the "plastic" sound that you describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lespaul79 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The return has to be set at 100% for 4cm. You will have phase issues if not, which is the "plastic" sound that you describe. This is a must!!! You will also want to make sure you bring down your return dB level. If not you will be going into your effect loop too hot and this will cause unwanted clipping which will make it sound harsh. I have mine on -6.5dB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagmusenmagnus1 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 But some amps cant go all the way to 100% wet on the FX-loop (Dry signal will still go through) and in that case, you would have to set al of the wet FX in Helix to 100% mix and then control the amount via the Dial on the amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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