How Different Or Similar Do Each Jtv's Modeling Sound From Another?

[clay-man]

I was wondering if any of you know if the different bodies, scale lengths, wood types, and all that stuff affect the tonality of the modeling side of a JTV?

 

I heard piezos ignore these factors a bit easier than magnetics, but I only heard that once from somewhere. Is that true?

 

If it does take a lot into account, do you think Line 6 calibrates the modeling for each guitar?

[pugdealer]

I think the difference isn't that much noticeable when it comes to the modeling part...but the magnetics can vary a lot in sound by themselves, let alone including the wood/body differences!

 

I own a JTV-59, and I'm sure the set neck and mahogany body/neck makes for better sustain and tone compared to the 69 or 89, but I'd say that, apart from the sustain, the modeling sounds pretty much the same on all 3 models

 

I'm even looking into trading my 59 for a 69 as of this post!!!

[TheRealZap]

I'm sure they have the physical guitar factored into their models on a sort of global eq type scale, not sure that they would or could do anything to fight the physics of it... such as sustain and those sorts of things... but it's only my opinion, i don't think anyone knows the full answer outside of Line6 themselves.

[Leftzilla]

I have both a JTV 59 and an 89F.  Prior to updating the 89F to 2.0, my bands swore up and down the 89F sounded much better than the 59.  I can only say that it is probably a visual bias as I recorded both guitars with the same modeling and played it back to them and they couldn't tell the difference or chose the 59 as the "better" sounding guitar

 

There are definite physical differences which affect the sounds subtley (or my perception of the sound)but there has also been a lot of discussion how the LR Bags piezos sound different than the graphtech piezos.  Again when recording the same models it is difficult if not impossible to tell the two apart.

[davidb7170]

I have the 59 and a 69S, and do hear slight differences in the modeled selections between the 2 -- both on the latest firmware. I also noticed it on prior firmware versions. I even saved any changes I did with the HD Workbench to both guitars. I also believe the physics of the body shape, materials - ash versus mahogany, string scale, and neck style (bolted versus set) will contribute differently even to the modeling. To me, the humbucker based models seem more "real" on the 59, and the "Fender" based models sound more real on the 69S. Not a huge difference, but it's there...Doesn't bug me, though. I tend to use the physical pickups a lot more than the models.

 

Dave

[katiekerry]

I think with allot of people the playability factors affects allot more than whether or not they actually sound different.  I think when people think different guitars sound different even in model mode its more about the playability comforts or nuances.  That is why when they record it they cant tell the difference..  Its the subtle playability nuances of each guitar that tricks us into thinking they sound different.  Whether its the 59,69 or 89.

[clay-man]

I think with allot of people the playability factors affects allot more than whether or not they actually sound different.  I think when people think different guitars sound different even in model mode its more about the playability comforts or nuances.  That is why when they record it they cant tell the difference..  Its the subtle playability nuances of each guitar that tricks us into thinking they sound different.  Whether its the 59,69 or 89.

True.

 

I was just wondering how much they think the physics affect the tonality of the modeling.

I'm sure it's nothing to get worked up over, but I was curious. 

[Charlie_Watt]

Anything that affects what the Piezo pickups see will affect the modeled tone.  The various JTV's have different scale lengths, different bridges and different bodies.  These will all affect the modeled tone but the differences won't dominate the modeled tone.  Sustain will be different for sure.