HX Stomp in an Amps FX Loop = More Volume?

[benk1]

Hi,

 

I've had my HX Stomp for a while but mainly used it through studio monitor for at home practice. I really like some to the delay setting I have on it and want to add it to my main pedalboard, but I ran into a problem. When I add it to the loop I get a big boost in volume. All I'm running the blocks is a 70's Chorus, 2 Delay on split lines, and the Dynamic Hall. Even with all the blocks bypassed the volume boost is still there. Any ideas on what could be causing this?

[rd2rk]

The FX Loop Block has both send and return level parameters. Use whichever one gets you the best results in your setup.

 

EDIT: in Global settings>Ins/Outs, set the FX Loop you're using to INST, as that's likely the level your pedals are working with. Try this FIRST.

[rd2rk]

@benk1

- see my edit.

[codamedia]

"HX Stomp in an Amps FX Loop = More Volume?"

10 hours ago, benk1 said:

Even with all the blocks bypassed the volume boost is still there. Any ideas on what could be causing this?

 

You don't say what amp you have. Find out what the LOOP level is on your amp, then match the ins/outs on the HX Stomp. A mismatch here can cause the problem you are experiencing. 

 

10 hours ago, rd2rk said:

The FX Loop Block has both send and return level parameters. Use whichever one gets you the best results in your setup.

EDIT: in Global settings>Ins/Outs, set the FX Loop you're using to INST, as that's likely the level your pedals are working with. Try this FIRST.

 

I don't think the OP is having issues with "pedals in the stomp loop"... I read it as having issues with the "stomp in the amps loop". 

 

 

[rd2rk]

1 hour ago, codamedia said:

I don't think the OP is having issues with "pedals in the stomp loop"... I read it as having issues with the "stomp in the amps loop". 

 

 

Yes, I misread the post.

Although, if changing the Input level in Global settings doesn't work with their amp, they COULD use the HXS FX Loop by putting a RETURN at the beginning of the signal chain. Between the Level settings in Global Settings and the RETURN Block/Output Block levels, they should be able to accommodate most any amp.

This waste of a block shouldn't be necessary though, and it WOULD be nice to know what amp we're talking about.

[benk1]

codemedia you're correct about it being in the amp's loop not the HX's loop block but I do appreciate  rd2rk taking the time to try an help. Right now I'm using a Mesa Fillmore 50 to setup my board but my main gigging amp is the Mesa Mark V. I've not experience this issue with other pedals but I understand the HX is a bit more than a pedal. I'm unsure how to "find the LOOP level on the amp". I have messed with the output level on the HX and looked at the input impedance. Messing with the impedance did lessen the effect but also tended to thin out the low end. I was hoping someone had the magic bullet here.

[codamedia]

2 hours ago, benk1 said:

Right now I'm using a Mesa Fillmore 50 to setup my board but my main gigging amp is the Mesa Mark V.

 

You can check the MESA forums, maybe even contact MESA to find out how to best use the loops. 

IME, Mesa loops are very different from most other amps, I'm afraid I won't be much help. 

[rd2rk]

3 hours ago, benk1 said:

Messing with the impedance did lessen the effect but also tended to thin out the low end. I was hoping someone had the magic bullet here.

 

We could be using the same terms for different things, but I wasn't referring to the IMPEDANCE settings.

 

Both of your amps have the basic series FX Loop. That SHOULD be INSTRUMENT Level to accommodate typical guitar stomp type FX vs studio grade rack FX which are usually LINE level. 

 

Assuming that you're wired like this:

 

Amp SEND to HXS L/MONO INPUT; HXS L/MONO OUTPUT to Amp RETURN

 

THEN

 

In Global Settings>Ins/Outs, set both the INPUT LEVEL and the OUTPUT LEVEL to INST.

 

Set the HXS Volume Knob to max (that's UNITY - OUT=IN).

 

With all HXS FX bypassed, there should be no boost in the levels, but if there is then you can lower the HXS Volume Knob to compensate.

 

These settings should not affect TONE in any way. However, if you want, you can use the GLOBAL EQ to account for any perceived changes.

 

 

 

 

[benk1]

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In Global Settings>Ins/Outs, set both the INPUT LEVEL and the OUTPUT LEVEL to INST.

 

I bet this is the ticket. I am running everything as you describe. I've been looking and the in and out settings on the PRESET level, not GLOBAL. I'll check that this evening and see if that doesn't solve the problem.