Having issues dialing in good tones on POD Go

[sominator]

Hi friends,

 

I recently picked up a POD Go and am finding it difficult to dial in quality-sounding tones with a lot of the amps/cabs.

 

For context, I've played around with a Zoom MS-50G+ and the new POD Express, and found it pretty easy to get the tones I'm looking for.  I also have a Positive Grid Spark GO and likewise have no issues.

 

Several of the amps on the POD Go sound really bass heavy with tone suck (particularly the Marshalls, Fenders, and Matchsticks) and I find myself fiddling a whole lot with amp settings and EQ.  I've found the Zoom, POD Express, and Spark GO to be pretty plug-and-play in comparison.

 

I'm aware of the impedance issue that affects some of these units and wrote to Line 6 customer support, who replied that the SN on my POD Go indicates that it shouldn't be among those affected units.

 

I've heard that putting a buffer pedal can help with tone suck on the POD Go.  Is that what's going on?  Or, is there something else I'm missing?

 

Thanks for any help or suggestions!

[silverhead]

Is your firmware up to date?  It might not make a huge difference but the v2.0 firmware introduce a new cab engine that I and others found to be a big improvement.

[sominator]

On 4/12/2024 at 6:44 PM, silverhead said:

Is your firmware up to date?  It might not make a huge difference but the v2.0 firmware introduce a new cab engine that I and others found to be a big improvement.

 

I will double check the firmware. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

Edit: firmware version 2.0.1.0.

[grdGo33]

For the tone & just overall 'amp' sound, the cab & mic are crucial, and wrapping your head around the different combinations of cab/mic isn't easy at all, given the vast number of mics, cabs, placement options, etc.   So I always recommend The best IR in the world, really sounds great with pretty much any genre, simplifies a lot the entire tone-finding process.  setting the Sag setting of the amp tends to make things tighter; less muddy.  Always at 0 for me.  Proper use of EQ

 

For the impedance issue, if you don't have a pod go with the impedance issue then you don't have an impedance issue and adding buffer pedal shouldn't make a significant change.

 

But that said;

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Several of the amps on the POD Go sound really bass heavy with tone suck (particularly the Marshalls, Fenders, and Matchsticks) and I find myself fiddling a whole lot with amp settings and EQ.  I've found the Zoom, POD Express, and Spark GO to be pretty plug-and-play in comparison.

Which particular amp(s)?  Not all models nor all amps are created equal.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9tO4-kAG4   L6 really models the amps electronic components.  And even 2 amps of the same brand/model can sound different, not to mention tubes...   The blind tests I've seen of real gear vs L6 Helix/Go/etc., pretty much demonstrate that it's on par; really hard to differentiate.  It's really all about your ability to tweak the tone.

 

And not everybody likes the same amps/tones either.  A lot of the amps you've mentioned are favorites in the lineup, and for me they're just plain meh..  Don't think it's particularly related to the amp/model, maybe more about your own playing style, your guitar, preferences, tweaking ability, tone-preference, etc.,

 

So as there's a ridiculous 100+ amps in the thing, just find a dozen amps that work for you, and forget about the rest.  That would be my advice.

 

But, it's definitely fun to explore amps and their history, and learning how people use them and how to make them work; plenty of tutorial videos and tweaking PGO tones, so I'd definitely start off with that too!

 

Oh and don't be afraid to use the L6 amps either.  Revisited them recently and they're pretty awesome.  Definitely nothing wrong using them over 'real' amps; they're just that; improved versions or tweaks of existing amps; amps that could exist, or maybe couldn't due to electronic vs DSP, but honestly they sound great, I'd get rid of all Marshalls in PGO instead of them in a heartbeat!  Not 'worse' in any way.

 

[sominator]

Thank you so much for your thorough reply!

 

On 4/13/2024 at 6:27 AM, grdGo33 said:

For the tone & just overall 'amp' sound, the cab & mic are crucial, and wrapping your head around the different combinations of cab/mic isn't easy at all, given the vast number of mics, cabs, placement options, etc.   So I always recommend The best IR in the world, really sounds great with pretty much any genre, simplifies a lot the entire tone-finding process.  setting the Sag setting of the amp tends to make things tighter; less muddy.  Always at 0 for me.  Proper use of EQ

 

Thanks--I will look into this!

 

On 4/13/2024 at 6:27 AM, grdGo33 said:

But that said;

Which particular amp(s)?  Not all models nor all amps are created equal.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9tO4-kAG4   L6 really models the amps electronic components.  And even 2 amps of the same brand/model can sound different, not to mention tubes...   The blind tests I've seen of real gear vs L6 Helix/Go/etc., pretty much demonstrate that it's on par; really hard to differentiate.  It's really all about your ability to tweak the tone.

 

I've had trouble getting any Marshalls or Matchless's to sound like I want them to.  Some of the Fenders are quite OK, and I definitely like the Cartographer, PRS's, and Soldanos.  The Friedmans/Placaters sound more like a Marshall amp than the Marshalls do, which I just can't wrap my head around.

 

On 4/13/2024 at 6:27 AM, grdGo33 said:

Oh and don't be afraid to use the L6 amps either.  Revisited them recently and they're pretty awesome.  Definitely nothing wrong using them over 'real' amps; they're just that; improved versions or tweaks of existing amps; amps that could exist, or maybe couldn't due to electronic vs DSP, but honestly they sound great, I'd get rid of all Marshalls in PGO instead of them in a heartbeat!  Not 'worse' in any way.

 

I'll follow your advice!  I do like the Line 6 Epic one.  I guess I've just been trying to dial in the same sounds (using similar amps/cabs) that I've found elsewhere, and having trouble with all the fiddling required on the POD Go to get similar results.

[sominator]

Solved this with some fiddling, based on @grdGo33's recommendations and others':

• Some amp models seem to be set at a medium (~5.0) gain with low channel volume, which doesn't sound great out of the box for those amps. I reduced the gain and increased the volume, which immediately improved the quality in relation to the other amps.
• I saw a post suggesting increasing the volume on the cab block (something I've never thought of doing), and that likewise made a huge difference. Like, 2-6 dB.
• I also mucked around with mic placement and other cab settings, which helped me fine tune the tones I've been looking for. This might be commonplace for people more experienced with amp modeling than I am, but I didn't realize how big of a difference these settings can make.
• Comps and EQ also help, but my main issues were with the amp and cab settings themselves.

Thanks again for the suggestions!

[grdGo33]

Nice!  Yeah one thing with Go is that you basically have to go through the manual...  So many options, definitely won't be able to fiddle your way exploring every option...  Gets even worse once you get to effects with 26 different parameters, many of which really aren't very intuitive, as the manual doesn't go in depth for many of the options and settings...

 

descriptions of amps, cabs, models, etc., vs 'real' counterparts:   https://helixhelp.com/models/

Added effects details (settings, etc.)   https://line6.com/software/index.html?hardware=All&name=POD Go Edit&os=All&submit_form=set

 

Then, there's all the million tricks and subtleties; things you wouldn't think/know on your own; so can be learned via guides, tutorials, tweaking videos/articles, etc., sigh ...

 

That's all time spent not playing or practicing guitar though.  LOL

 

On 4/13/2024 at 7:42 PM, sominator said:

• I saw a post suggesting increasing the volume on the cab block (something I've never thought of doing), and that likewise made a huge difference. Like, 2-6 dB.

 

Not exactly sure what gain there would be to increasing cab volume?  But on volume topic;  the channel volume of the amp is basically the 'pure' volume, while the Master volume simulates how a real amp reacts to increased volume;  gain/saturation.  Ex;   Gain 3, Ch. vol 10, Master 1, would result in low gain/distortion.  While Gain 3, Ch vol 1, Master 10, would simulate a real amp pushed to max volume; so your '3' of gain would be much different with both.  (tube saturation and all)

 

Same goes with your chain; boosting volume before hitting the amp block, vs boosting volume after hitting the cab block will result in quite different gain/distortion characteristics/feel.  Even for EQ. Ex; you can use the EQ as a boost, increasing volume, and again, placing it before or after the amp block will affect the distortion characteristics of the amp.

[sominator]

On 4/14/2024 at 5:55 AM, grdGo33 said:

Not exactly sure what gain there would be to increasing cab volume?  But on volume topic;  the channel volume of the amp is basically the 'pure' volume, while the Master volume simulates how a real amp reacts to increased volume;  gain/saturation.  Ex;   Gain 3, Ch. vol 10, Master 1, would result in low gain/distortion.  While Gain 3, Ch vol 1, Master 10, would simulate a real amp pushed to max volume; so your '3' of gain would be much different with both.  (tube saturation and all)

 

Same goes with your chain; boosting volume before hitting the amp block, vs boosting volume after hitting the cab block will result in quite different gain/distortion characteristics/feel.  Even for EQ. Ex; you can use the EQ as a boost, increasing volume, and again, placing it before or after the amp block will affect the distortion characteristics of the amp.

 

This is such helpful information.  Thank you!  And thanks also for the links you provided!

 

The cab volume was just helpful in increasing overall volume without sacrificing tone or increasing gain.  Some of the models sound nice and clear right out of the box, whereas others seem to be quiet, muddy, or tone suck-y without tinkering.  I'm finding that increasing cab volume as a first step (just to get the Db on the same level as other amps) before troubleshooting to be helpful.

[sominator]

For anyone following this topic, some very nice commenters pointed out that I had the Master volume all the way up, which was essentially getting in the way of my tones.  My main guitar has a broken volume pot/knob and is stuck at 10, so it was driving the amps too hard and making everything sound muddy. I'm getting the pot fixed, lol.