Is there a way to combine an amp, and a 3rd party IR into one block?

[thecalifornians]

Hello! I regularly gig live with a small Marshall DSL combo using an HX Effects in the effects loop. But, at home, I normally record with my Helix LT straight to the board. So, I already have built a set of incredible Fender Deluxe patches that I love. However, I would like to emulate the sound of my Marshall DSL Combo through a Creamback, and build a group of Marshall patches. I use my Marshall primarily as a clean pedal platform, as I prefer the heft of a relatively clean Marshall over a Fender live. I'm guessing the closest Line6 model to a relatively clean DSL is probably the Brit j45 Norm. I already have several 3rd party Celestion branded Creamback IRs I should be able to use with that amp model. Since I don't know better (loll...), I thought I'd ask you guys if there is any way to combine them into 1 block? If not, that's fine, it's not the end of the world. But, you don't know till you ask...  Any positive assistance will be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, TMB

[rd2rk]

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[thecalifornians]

I see your a man of few words. Thank you for your direct and succinct input!
 

[benriddell]

I used to own a DSL 50 head when they were first released back in the 90s and remember you could get a few different flavours of Marshall sounds out of it. Depending on how you set your actual amp you might want to try the Brit 2203 (JCM 800) model over the Brit J45 Norm - especially since you can choose which input to use

If you're looking for a clean pedal platform amp don't discredit the Archetype Clean and Line 6's own Aristocrat / Clarity / Litigator models either. While they're not "Marhall" sounding, they're very good as a base

[thecalifornians]

On 5/19/2024 at 4:01 PM, benriddell said:

I used to own a DSL 50 head when they were first released back in the 90s and remember you could get a few different flavours of Marshall sounds out of it. Depending on how you set your actual amp you might want to try the Brit 2203 (JCM 800) model over the Brit J45 Norm - especially since you can choose which input to use

If you're looking for a clean pedal platform amp don't discredit the Archetype Clean and Line 6's own Aristocrat / Clarity / Litigator models either. While they're not "Marhall" sounding, they're very good as a base

So, I expected this to be a long drawn-out, days involved tweaking presets, fine tuning nightmare. In fact, after some TLC that old Brit J45 Brt amp patch comes DAMN CLOSE to my tweaked DSL20CR with a Neo Creamback, especially combined with my Celestion Creamback "Fat Celestion" IR. I mean sure, their factory amp settings were dog poop, but it was quick and easy to correct and fine tune things to my liking. In fact I just A/B'd my Helix/FRFR with my Marshall at bedroom volume, and you'd have to split hairs to tell the difference on the "relatively clean" preset I prefer for my pedal platform. Wow! I don't know what I expected but the HELIX is amazing! As to a Block issue, there wasn't any! (see attached)I was able to divide up the effects between both paths, as I currently have WAH/VOL sharing block 1, then Studio Compressor, Heir Apparent, Chorus, 60's Bias tremolo, Simple Delay, Plate Reverb, and enough DSP left for a poly pitch effect! This is of course, in addition to utilizing their Brit J45 Brt amp and my 1024 IR Creamback cab.

[thecalifornians]

On 5/19/2024 at 4:01 PM, benriddell said:

I used to own a DSL 50 head when they were first released back in the 90s and remember you could get a few different flavours of Marshall sounds out of it. Depending on how you set your actual amp you might want to try the Brit 2203 (JCM 800) model over the Brit J45 Norm - especially since you can choose which input to use

If you're looking for a clean pedal platform amp don't discredit the Archetype Clean and Line 6's own Aristocrat / Clarity / Litigator models either. While they're not "Marhall" sounding, they're very good as a base

Between 1972-1990 I tried multiple amps for live and for recording. From a hand built Mesa Mk1 Clone, to a Sunn Model T 150 head on 4x12 Electrovoice EL12's, to several Musicman combos, to an Ampeg combo, to a Kitty Hawk combo, and even a Peavey and a Carvin at one point. But. I'd never even tried a Marshall until 1990. I assumed they would be far too "high gain" for my simple pedalboard-platform needs. Boy was I wrong! In an emergency I had to borrow an amp for a session (from the studio I was headed to) and I found out when I arrived, they only had a Marshall Studio 15. But, It was amazing clean, in fact it had a heft/warmth to it's clean tone, I had never enjoyed before. I bought one almost immediately, and used it for the next 10 years when recording, and many times DI'd through a FOH board LIVE. My current DSL-20CR has had a few minor mods, and I've added a NEO Creamback speaker. It's not a vintage J45, but it has that nice Marshall feel/depth to it's tone, that I remember. As to the HELIX patch I prefer most, it's the Brit J45 Brt. I tried the others you suggested, but for my needs that "old" J45 patch really does the job! Thanks for your help! TMB