Nos402 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I was going over some of my imported old Helix patches and am baffled why some seemed to use the new Agoura models and some don't even though there does seem to be an Agoura counterpart. For example, patches using the legacy J45 do seem to now be using the Agoura J45. Same with Jazz rivet 120, Grammatico, Cali IV Rhythm 1, Matchstick 1. But any patches using a Brit Plexi (bright or jump, that I've seen) are still using the old legacy model. Same with Essex 30TB, Double Vibe, US Small Tweed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 I just had a thought. Maybe it’s because some amps are single amps while other are now “multi-channel.” So like there’s only one version of the jazz rivet 120 but double vibe, plexi, etc. had “normal” and “bright” versions which are now all one agoura model with multiple “channels.” But I still figured it could have just converted a legacy “bright plexi” to the bright channel of the new plexi. This is all just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 There’s a banner on this page just above the topic title that provides some interesting info on preset transfers. It doesn’t mention exactly what you are referencing but it’s handy to know anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 On 11/20/2025 at 8:19 PM, silverhead said: There’s a banner on this page just above the topic title that provides some interesting info on preset transfers. It doesn’t mention exactly what you are referencing but it’s handy to know anyway. Yeah I had seen that and also the video of Eric explaining the same basics thankfully so I had exported all my individual setlists already anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 Ah I get it now after reading the manual. I misunderstood. Nothing got "converted." Anything that is under "Legacy" is a model that HAS a new Agoura model available. Any of my old presets that are NOT under "Legacy" just means there is not Agoura model available yet, so it's still just listed under "Guitar Amps." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 On 11/21/2025 at 10:30 PM, Nos402 said: Ah I get it now after reading the manual. I misunderstood. Nothing got "converted." Anything that is under "Legacy" is a model that HAS a new Agoura model available. Any of my old presets that are NOT under "Legacy" just means there is not Agoura model available yet, so it's still just listed under "Guitar Amps." That might be accurate but I’m not sure. As I understand it the Legacy Amp subcategory includes amp models of previous generations of Line 6 modeling such as POD HD500, or POD XT/X3. The Guitar Amp category includes both Agoura models and Helix models as indicated here: https://line6.com/helix-stadium-models/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 On 11/22/2025 at 1:16 PM, silverhead said: That might be accurate but I’m not sure. As I understand it the Legacy Amp subcategory includes amp models of previous generations of Line 6 modeling such as POD HD500, or POD XT/X3. The Guitar Amp category includes both Agoura models and Helix models as indicated here: https://line6.com/helix-stadium-models/ I'm just going off this paragraph from the manual: Quote LEGACY GUITAR and LEGACY BASS amps (indicated with ) are all HX; they’ve simply been moved to the Legacy category because an Agoura version of that same amp exists. And as more Agoura amps appear in firmware updates, you may notice their HX equivalents getting moved from the GUITAR AMP or BASS AMP subcategories to the LEGACY GUITAR or LEGACY BASS subcategories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Thanks. I had missed that. So it seems there are no older (pre-HX) amp models at all in Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talwilkins Posted Sunday at 10:54 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:54 PM On 11/20/2025 at 11:51 PM, Nos402 said: I was going over some of my imported old Helix patches and am baffled why some seemed to use the new Agoura models and some don't even though there does seem to be an Agoura counterpart. For example, patches using the legacy J45 do seem to now be using the Agoura J45. Same with Jazz rivet 120, Grammatico, Cali IV Rhythm 1, Matchstick 1. But any patches using a Brit Plexi (bright or jump, that I've seen) are still using the old legacy model. Same with Essex 30TB, Double Vibe, US Small Tweed. Am I missing something? As far as I understand, there are no Agoura versions of J45, Jazz rivet 120, Grammatico, Cali IV Rhythm 1 and Matchstick 1 yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted Sunday at 11:54 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:54 PM You’ve quoted the original post in this thread. Subsequent discussion has clarified things. Short story: the manual clearly identifies the Agoura models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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