Nos402 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 I can't decide if I like the new or the old workflow better. I think there are plusses and minuses to each. I play in a lot of bands and on the old Helix, I would have a set list for each band. There was only a small handful of songs that were in multiple bands. Stadium is BETTER for those since if I tweak a preset it would be tweaked in any set list where it is referenced. BUT, due to limited space, I often swap set lists in and out on the OG Helix. Now with all the presets in one big "User Preset" pool, I feel like that's going to be harder to "delete all songs by band 1 to make room for songs from band 2." They do seem to remain grouped in the order they were loaded in so for the most part, at least right now, they are still mostly grouped by band but I could imagine this getting more jumbled over time. There is a function to assign different colors to presets, so maybe that's a helpful tool I could use here. It would also be nice to have a feature to close up gaps when you delete files. As it is if you delete presets in the middle of the list, those now remain empty and so if you load new ones they would fill in those gaps and manually shifting everything up is a pain. Just thinking out loud at this point! Feeling it all out! It's still too early for me to know what is just me getting used to a new workflow, and what is "better" or "worse" for my preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Note that the system Backup/Restore capability might be useful here. You could use multiple backup files to keep your Band 1 and Band 2 USER presets, custom Setlists, and Song data discrete and separate, perhaps but not necessarily on different SD cards. You would need to manage your own association of automatically generated backup filenames and SD cards to different contexts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdennis Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 I had an issue working with three groups for several years using the Helix. I setup the first 6 presets as "Goto" presets. In other words, each button has a preset assigned to it to "goto" with a "come back to" button on each one for the group that would change it up ever so often on stage. For the by the book setlist groups it was very easy. One button in each setlist just took me to the next song etc. etc. Of course midi is my best solution. Just my type A personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 On 11/23/2025 at 9:50 PM, jpdennis said: I had an issue working with three groups for several years using the Helix. I setup the first 6 presets as "Goto" presets. In other words, each button has a preset assigned to it to "goto" with a "come back to" button on each one for the group that would change it up ever so often on stage. For the by the book setlist groups it was very easy. One button in each setlist just took me to the next song etc. etc. Of course midi is my best solution. Just my type A personality. I generally make a preset per song and try to match the song, and then it also serves as my set list. In groups where I play guitar and keys, I still use my Helix to send MIDI to my Nord to change presets or turn things on/off as needed too. So with one preset per song for LOTS of bands, they add up quick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdennis Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 On 11/23/2025 at 8:14 PM, Nos402 said: I generally make a preset per song and try to match the song, and then it also serves as my set list. In groups where I play guitar and keys, I still use my Helix to send MIDI to my Nord to change presets or turn things on/off as needed too. So with one preset per song for LOTS of bands, they add up quick! You can create a new setlist by pressing upper left knob and create a new setlist, name for one band, and then you have a select group of presets for that band. I do not know what the limit is but that is one way to have separate setlists for each band you work with. Once you have your custom setlists created for each band you then have the option to use the Manage Setlists (currently grayed out) to delete whole setlists you create in one click if you'd like. Using silverhead's suggestion to backup for restoration is a great idea if you want to save space, however, I have yet to determine the limit since it appears only saved presets take up any real estate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 On 11/24/2025 at 5:35 PM, jpdennis said: You can create a new setlist by pressing upper left knob and create a new setlist, name for one band, and then you have a select group of presets for that band. I do not know what the limit is but that is one way to have separate setlists for each band you work with. Once you have your custom setlists created for each band you then have the option to use the Manage Setlists (currently grayed out) to delete whole setlists you create in one click if you'd like. Using silverhead's suggestion to backup for restoration is a great idea if you want to save space, however, I have yet to determine the limit since it appears only saved presets take up any real estate . Yeah it's more that since the setlists just use aliases and the actual presets are just in the all purpose "User Preset" pool it could get complicated trying to find all the presets only associated with one band or such to delete them and make room. I believe there's only 512 User Preset slots which I think is less than OG helix which was 6 set lists of 128 each (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdennis Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 11/24/2025 at 4:07 PM, Nos402 said: Yeah it's more that since the setlists just use aliases and the actual presets are just in the all purpose "User Preset" pool it could get complicated trying to find all the presets only associated with one band or such to delete them and make room. I believe there's only 512 User Preset slots which I think is less than OG helix which was 6 set lists of 128 each (I think). I'll know more by the middle of December as I go through the manual slowly. I will keep you posted. I did discover that when I set up two custom setlists, they each had the same number of preset slots that were unassigned like the USER list. I made some simple and quick presets in each for about a total of 25 in each and then deleted each setlist in a one-two click. Again, I wasn't aware of any aliasing going on. But I am sure more will be revealed as time goes on. I know little at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 11/24/2025 at 9:37 PM, jpdennis said: I'll know more by the middle of December as I go through the manual slowly. I will keep you posted. I did discover that when I set up two custom setlists, they each had the same number of preset slots that were unassigned like the USER list. I made some simple and quick presets in each for about a total of 25 in each and then deleted each setlist in a one-two click. Again, I wasn't aware of any aliasing going on. But I am sure more will be revealed as time goes on. I know little at this point. It makes sense to me that each custom setlist has the same number of slots since it’s possible that you might want every actual preset (the ones in the USER setlist) also to be included in the custom setlist. When you say “ I made some simple and quick presets in each..” I presume you mean in each setlist. But I’m confused by the phrasing. You ‘made’ the presets in the USER setlist even though the display focus was the custom setlist. My understanding is that when you selected an Empty slot in the custom setlist and began to build the preset it was built in the USER setlist, which contains the actual presets. When you Saved it the preset was Saved to the USER setlist while an alias to it was created and saved in the custom setlist. Question: when you deleted each of the two setlists did the presets you had created appear in the USER setlist? If my understanding is correct they should be. If they’re not I need to get a better understanding of what’s going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 I just did a little test. I created a new custom setlist. As expected the view showed all Empty slots. I selected preset 1A and added an amp. I then saved the preset, still within the custom setlist view. I gave it a name when saving as a New Preset. It appeared as expected in the custom setlist view as preset 1A. I then immediately deleted the custom setlist, which disappeared from view as expected. Also as expected the new preset appeared and remained in the USER setlist where all presets actually live. It appeared not as 1A but as 10A which happened to be the first empty slot after the last named preset in the USER setlist view. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdennis Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 11/25/2025 at 6:07 AM, silverhead said: I just did a little test. I created a new custom setlist. As expected the view showed all Empty slots. I selected preset 1A and added an amp. I then saved the preset, still within the custom setlist view. I gave it a name when saving as a New Preset. It appeared as expected in the custom setlist view as preset 1A. I then immediately deleted the custom setlist, which disappeared from view as expected. Also as expected the new preset appeared and remained in the USER setlist where all presets actually live. It appeared not as 1A but as 10A which happened to be the first empty slot after the last named preset in the USER setlist view. silverhead, yes. Today I created three custom setlists. I added a preset to 1a-1d in each one. I then deleted the setlist and the 12 presets I created were in the USER setlist view. They were created in an empty setlist slot after the 5 I initially created in the USER setlist (1A-2A) which means I had 12 more starting at 2B and so on. I then deleted those 12 as well. For some reason I wasn't thinking about aliasing. Sorry for not being clearer. Also, in the USER setlist I decided to count the number of slots which totaled 512. For clarity, I am using the preset numbering set to 1A-128D. I was a little confused until I noticed something in the lower right where the CC Midi codes are. At the very last slot 128D showed "setlist (CC32):4" "preset (PC): 127" "snapshot (CC69):0. So I decided to go down the list of preset slots and at what I would assume would be preset 129 which is 33A in my case, the screen read "setlist (CC32):2" "preset (PC): 0" "snapshot (CC69):0. It appears the user setlist is a group of 4 sub-setlists containing 128 presets (0-127) each from midi cc perspective. The capability of snapshots, in my mind, doesn't change the preset count by a factor of 8 as snapshots only adds functionality for triggering various combinations of block settings (on/off, value changes, etc.). I no longer have my Helix Floor to check so I used my DAW to view the Helix Native plug-in. I may be mistaken, but it looks like in the helix floor we had two folders for Factory presets, five folders for user presets, and one folder for templates. So, unless I miss the mark, we really only have been reduced in user preset count by 128 over all. Templates are now accessed via the hamburger menu with the New Preset feature and factory presets are locked and currently only have 64 available slots so I do not know if as newer F/W upgrades come out that will stay static in number or increase. So having 512 user presets works for me. And for organization purposes it may be we can have several custom setlists and in each of those we create our presets. The presets will stay in the USER setlist regardless of whether we keep the custom setlist or delete them. To address the OP, this may be better since if you are in 5 bands and need 5 hours of songs without repeat in each group (300 songs at 12 songs per set), they could still be organized a per-band way. Have to go to medical checkups so I won't be back to read further feedback until after 4pm Pacific time. Thanks again for your direction. jpd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 On 11/25/2025 at 11:31 AM, jpdennis said: silverhead, yes. Today I created three custom setlists. I added a preset to 1a-1d in each one. I then deleted the setlist and the 12 presets I created were in the USER setlist view. They were created in an empty setlist slot after the 5 I initially created in the USER setlist (1A-2A) which means I had 12 more starting at 2B and so on. I then deleted those 12 as well. For some reason I wasn't thinking about aliasing. Sorry for not being clearer. Also, in the USER setlist I decided to count the number of slots which totaled 512. For clarity, I am using the preset numbering set to 1A-128D. I was a little confused until I noticed something in the lower right where the CC Midi codes are. At the very last slot 128D showed "setlist (CC32):4" "preset (PC): 127" "snapshot (CC69):0. So I decided to go down the list of preset slots and at what I would assume would be preset 129 which is 33A in my case, the screen read "setlist (CC32):2" "preset (PC): 0" "snapshot (CC69):0. It appears the user setlist is a group of 4 sub-setlists containing 128 presets (0-127) each from midi cc perspective. The capability of snapshots, in my mind, doesn't change the preset count by a factor of 8 as snapshots only adds functionality for triggering various combinations of block settings (on/off, value changes, etc.). I no longer have my Helix Floor to check so I used my DAW to view the Helix Native plug-in. I may be mistaken, but it looks like in the helix floor we had two folders for Factory presets, five folders for user presets, and one folder for templates. So, unless I miss the mark, we really only have been reduced in user preset count by 128 over all. Templates are now accessed via the hamburger menu with the New Preset feature and factory presets are locked and currently only have 64 available slots so I do not know if as newer F/W upgrades come out that will stay static in number or increase. So having 512 user presets works for me. Have to go to medical checkups so I won't be back to read further feedback until after 4pm Pacific time. Thanks again for your direction. jpd but I always overwrote the factory and template set lists on my Helix Floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdennis Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 11/25/2025 at 9:39 AM, Nos402 said: but I always overwrote the factory and template set lists on my Helix Floor. Odd, mine didn't overwrite they just kept appending, or I'm misunderstanding. Plus I edited my response with more information based upon my slots NOT being overwritten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos402 Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 On 11/25/2025 at 11:50 AM, jpdennis said: Odd, mine didn't overwrite they just kept appending, or I'm misunderstanding. Plus I edited my response with more information based upon my slots NOT being overwritten. No I just meant that on the OG Helix I ended up with more than 512 preset slots because I used ALL the set list slots and didn't keep those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent_scream Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Well, more folders of user presets would be a nice future addition to stadium. (Is there a way to make future firmware update requests? Ideascale?) Even if that means that the folders are saved in the sd card, and the presets load slower. I share my OG helix floor with my 2 brothers and we currently have 13 setlists in total. About 4 setlists each. We have to import/export setlists and IR's all the time, each time we are going to use the device. When Stadium was announced, and Eric said "thousands of third party Ir's and 127 setlists" we thought, problem solved, finally. We didn't realized setlists would be pointers. I really hope more user presets slots to be added in a future update, that will be the selling point for me. Until then we will stick with the OG helix, unless proxy is ground-breaking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 On 11/26/2025 at 3:50 PM, silent_scream said: …. (Is there a way to make future firmware update requests? Ideascale?) .. Open the Ideascale Retirement banner at the top of this page. There you will find instructions for product feedback, such as feature requests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 On 11/26/2025 at 3:50 PM, silent_scream said: … I share my OG helix floor with my 2 brothers and we currently have 13 setlists in total. About 4 setlists each. We have to import/export setlists and IR's all the time, each time we are going to use the device. When Stadium was announced, and Eric said "thousands of third party Ir's and 127 setlists" we thought, problem solved, finally. We didn't realized setlists would be pointers. … There is a limit of 512 presets in the USER setlist, which is where all the actual presets live. Are you reaching that limit? If not there is no need to export and import setlists and presets. You and your brothers can live together on the device. Avoid Exporting a preset from a custom (not USER) setlist view. That exports the alias for the preset, and unless you’re careful it can overwrite the actual preset in the associated folder on your computer. If you are exceeding the limit then you will need to manage external files on your computer or SD card. I think the easiest and most reliable way to do that is to use the Backup and Restore options in the Helix Stadium Maintenance feature. I believe the backup filename is automatically assigned and time/date stamped so you will need to manually keep track of which backup belongs to whom among you and your brothers. That way you can avoid the multiple exports and imports of preset and setlists; each of you can Backup your own system image before shutting down and Restore it next time you use the device. That will also backup all your custom setlists, your IRs and your Global Settings. You can each manage your own system images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Elaborating on the above….. The manual states that the Create Backup function saves the backup file to the inserted microSD card. That means each of you and your brothers could have your own dedicated SD card for personal use. At the end of each session you would need to: - power down the Helix Stadium device - restart it while holding down the Home and Song buttons. This will cause the device to start in the Helix Stadium Maintenance mode. - insert your personal microSD card and Create Backup - select the Shutdown option on the Maintenance screen At the beginning of each session you would need to: - restart the Helix Stadium device while holding down the Home and Song buttons. This will cause the device to start in the Helix Stadium Maintenance mode. - insert your personal microSD card and Restore Backup, selecting the backup file you created above - select the Shutdown option on the Maintenance screen - restart the device normally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent_scream Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 On 11/27/2025 at 4:08 PM, silverhead said: Elaborating on the above….. The manual states that the Create Backup function saves the backup file to the inserted microSD card. That means each of you and your brothers could have your own dedicated SD card for personal use. At the end of each session you would need to: - power down the Helix Stadium device - restart it while holding down the Home and Song buttons. This will cause the device to start in the Helix Stadium Maintenance mode. - insert your personal microSD card and Create Backup - select the Shutdown option on the Maintenance screen At the beginning of each session you would need to: - restart the Helix Stadium device while holding down the Home and Song buttons. This will cause the device to start in the Helix Stadium Maintenance mode. - insert your personal microSD card and Restore Backup, selecting the backup file you created above - select the Shutdown option on the Maintenance screen - restart the device normally I was referring to the OG Helix, not the stadium. Yes we currently have 13 full setlists, some of them are paid from various artists, and keep growing so more than 1600 presets in total, plus the new that we will create in stadium. We saved some money and we were going to sell OG helix to raise for stadium, but we are having second thoughts. Having multiple sd cards is not a bad idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 On 11/27/2025 at 2:09 PM, silent_scream said: I was referring to the OG Helix, not the stadium. …. Yeah, sorry I missed that. Useful discussion anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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