Cab off for specific output (Helix non-XL)

[sirhc]

Hi,

I am coming  from Kemper - but already sold that after only a few days with the Helix Stadium floor. REALLY like it, alreday now... and so much more to come :)

So many things are so much easier to do on the stadium and sound is great.

 

What I am missing: In Kemper I had a one button posibility to turn "Cab off for monitor out" ("monitor out" is a specific output in Kemper) - in case I want to run the monitor via a real power amplifier and Cab (what I like for the feeling...). I cannot find that option in the stadium?!? In Kemper, this option was global for all presets - very convinient.

 

What I did as workaround:

1) I put cab at last symbol in my chain. 

2) before that Cab-block I make a split and run the split to another output (e.g. send)

3) repeat for EACH preset.... (some work, but okayish thanks to the great interafce)

 

My questions to this approach: Line 6 advertised a new and bigger interaction between the amp and cab (impeadence, reactions and stuff I dont know much about) - do I kill that part of the simulation if I don't have the cab block directly after the Amp?

 

...and of course second question: is there a better way to get one output with and another one without cab simulation?

[dandesy]

That’s the way I’ve always done it.  
1/4” direct, XLR with cab.

[sirhc]

Thanks!

That measns, I am not the only one stumbling over this ;)

... I think, Kemper had a quite easier job here, as their "block positions" are fixed and Stadium is much more flexibel on the positioning of effects, cabs, amps... (and even more than one cab/amp). I can understand, that this flexibility makes it quite hard to program a "global cab-off"-button for a specific output... it would get hard, if someone uses more than one cab (for whatever reason) or dual amp setups with two cabs (for whatever reason...)

Maybe that is the reason? .. on the other hand, Line 6 seem to be very creative and may find a way to still do this ;)

Til than, I will try to not forget adding splits to my presets.. however, it feels not too good, because again its limiting flexibility: Cab needs to be the last block in the chain. I would have compressor, reverb, EQ afterwards, if there would be a way...

[bbehrens]

The Cab block is automatically assigned for each Amplifier model in the Helix. NOTE: You can turn off this behavior in the global options in the Stadium (see the online manual). I do not know how to assign a Cab block to an Amplifier model when it is not assigned by the Unit (I assume that you can not have more than one separate Cab block assigned to a particular Amp model).

 

The answer to you question...

On 3/9/2026 at 5:09 AM, sirhc said:

do I kill that part of the simulation if I don't have the cab block directly after the Amp?

If you see a link symbol  when you highlight the Cab block, then that modeling of the impedance, reactions and stuff is also modelled. Otherwise, I do not think that it is. (Line 6 will have to confirm this though).

 

[waymda]

On 3/10/2026 at 1:04 AM, sirhc said:

That measns, I am not the only one stumbling over this ;)

TLDR: Don't expect global assignment of a cab-free output in a hurry.

 

 Its not stumbling over this, its how its been done with the Helix since the OG. The exception to this is the Pod Go, which has fixed block placement. You will need to adjust your workflow, and quite possibly your approach to patch building (see below).

 

The flexibility the Helix allows (1/4 inch, XLR, Digital, sends and returns) makes a global response near to impossible and, for many, highly undesirable as their needs may vary in terms of how outputs are used and can be managed on a by patch basis. If you want a standardised approach use templates to set-up your master approach and add/change as required. 

 

The idea that the cab should or must be the last block is also false. There is lots of post cab processing you may want to apply before going direct - eg compression or patch specific EQ - that you do not want going to your cab. The only consideration for your tap point (to cab) is does it include all the processing you want/need for the cab. Some users have a wetter send for FoH than to onstage monitoring/cabs. Again, why a global setting for no cab on output X is problematic.

 

I can't answer your other question re the Agora amp interaction with cabs - however logically, if you're tapping the signal before the cab, and the cab still exists, the relationship between amp and cab still exists, and should impact all signal leaving the cab independent of tap point.

[sirhc]

Thanks!

I understand the restrictions, that flexibility is bringing ;)

... and I also prefer the flexibility. 

I can do without that global cab off. I think, I  will anyway not have too many presets going (i guess max three per band, currently just one)... so adding the split is not too much work.