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POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by chaos69 on 2012-12-28 08:48:57

I've just bought the midi solutions relay controller and i've a problem about send msg to control midi relay controller by POD HD 500. i've a lot of try to setup POD HD 500, it can't control amp.

My amp H&K tubemeister 18 head

My setup

POD HD 500 midi out > midi solutions relay controller > 1/4" mono > H&K Footswitch channel

After assigned to FS-1 on HD 500 and after that try to push, midi relay box 's ligth is flashing and don't have any responses.

Please kindly suggest me, i really don't know what's wrong? T-T

Thank you.

midi solution link : http://www.midisolutions.com/prodrel.htm

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Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-28 11:13:40

What are you trying to do?  Use FS1 within a patch to change amp channels? 

It looks like the Midi Solutions Relay (hereafter 'The Relay') can be programmed to respond to either Midi PC Patch change or Midi CC Controller change  messages (amongst others).  The HD500 can send either.   The HD500 automatically sends out a PC message whenever you select a patch corresponding to the patch number (0-63).   If you do not want this behaviour, and always want to change channel using an assigned FS1, then can I suggest that you use a CC Message as this will make things clearer to work with.

You program the  the Relay to respond to the CC (or other message) using the software here --> http://www.midisolutions.com/ptprocessors.htm">http://www.midisolutions.com/ptprocessors.htm">http://www.midisolutions.com/ptprocessors.htm.   This software works on 32-bit Windows only.  The software sends a 'SysEx' message to the Relay that sets what messages the Relay will respond to.  This is a one off operation and you will need to work this out yourself (I am running 64-bit Windows ).  Make sure that you set the Midi Channel on the Relay to 1.  Make a note of the CC Message number and value that you have configured the relay to work with.

Now, run your Midi cable from the HD500 Midi Out to the Relay Midi In.  Go to your preset and configure FS1 so that it sends out the Midi CC Message number and value when you press the relay button.  Make sure it sends the message on Midi Channel 1.  You may need to use a Midi CC Toggle message to toggle back and forward between the channels on the amp.  I cannot tell.



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by chaos69 on 2012-12-28 17:16:31

Thank you so much.

What are you trying to do?  Use FS1 within a patch to change amp channels?

- you are correct.

It looks like the Midi Solutions Relay (hereafter 'The Relay') can be programmed to respond to either Midi PC Patch change or Midi CC Controller change  messages (amongst others).  The HD500 can send either.   The HD500 automatically sends out a PC message whenever you select a patch corresponding to the patch number (0-63).   If you do not want this behaviour, and always want to change channel using an assigned FS1, then can I suggest that you use a CC Message as this will make things clearer to work with.

You program the  the Relay to respond to the CC (or other message) using the software here --> http://www.midisolutions.com/ptprocessors.htm.   This software works on 32-bit Windows only.  The software sends a 'SysEx' message to the Relay that sets what messages the Relay will respond to.  This is a one off operation and you will need to work this out yourself (I am running 64-bit Windows ).  Make sure that you set the Midi Channel on the Relay to 1.  Make a note of the CC Message number and value that you have configured the relay to work with.

Now, run your Midi cable from the HD500 Midi Out to the Relay Midi In.  Go to your preset and configure FS1 so that it sends out the Midi CC Message number and value when you press the relay button.  Make sure it sends the message on Midi Channel 1.  You may need to use a Midi CC Toggle message to toggle back and forward between the channels on the amp.  I cannot tell.

- i knows it can be programmed. but i don't know it has to program before use it? i try to contact to Midi solutions support team. but havenot any response from them and that software required only window 32bit, which i have not. - -!

So.from your suggested, i thinks it need to program before use it.

Thank you so much again.




Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by anonyrat on 2012-12-28 21:08:05

Just remember that when you setup a FS to send out program change, controller info etc via MIDI - it will not do this WHEN you select the patch, only when you press the FS



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-29 01:59:43

Well the other thing you could do is find a tool that can send Midi SysEx commands.  The manual here http://www.midisolutions.com/MIDI%20Solutions%20Relay.pdf">http://www.midisolutions.com/MIDI%20Solutions%20Relay.pdf">http://www.midisolutions.com/MIDI%20Solutions%20Relay.pdfdescribes the actual commands that need to be sent.  What are you using, Mac or Window 64-bit?



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by chaos69 on 2012-12-29 02:08:10

i uses window 7 64bit



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-29 04:55:36

OK.  Well one tool (which I have not worked with but is recommended by others) is MidiOx so I guess you could try that.  http://www.midiox.com/

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Trythis.  

  1. Connect your PC to your Pod via USB and make sure the Line 6 Drivers are installed (if you use HD Edit then they will be).
  2. Connect your Pod Midi Out to your Relay Midi In
  3. Install Midiox and launch it
  4. From the 'Options' menu select 'Midi Devices' and select the Line 6 device.
  5. From the 'View' menu select 'Sysex'
  6. Paste the following Midi command into the 'Command Window' and then select 'Command Menu - Send Sysex' from the menu.  This command resets the Relay (as described in the relay manual) and is recommended.

    F0 00 00 50 06 00 F7

  7. Paste the following Midi command into the 'Command Window' and then select 'Command Menu - Send Sysex' from the menu.  This command set the relay to toggle states when it receives a midi message (as described in the relay manual).

    F0 00 00 50 06 02 03 07 0F F7

  8. Now you need to program Pod FS1 Midi as follows:

    Message:  cc toggle
    cc #:  07
    Midi Channel:  16
    Value:  0  

The setup uses a midi CC command sent on Midi channel 16.  The cc is for 'volume' but really any cc message will do and this is just convenient.  I cannot check any of this because I don't have the gear but this may get you started and thinking about it.

Of course an easier way to configure the relay might be to do the setup on someone elses PC using the provided software.  You would still need a midi interface though.



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by chaos69 on 2012-12-29 05:05:32

jimsreynolds, Thank you so much. Let's me try and i will update soon.



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by chaos69 on 2012-12-29 05:34:25

jimsreynolds,  It's work!!!! Thank you so much



Re: POD HD 500 Amp control with midi solutions relay controller.
by jimsreynolds on 2012-12-29 06:17:41

Yey!




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