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I spent most of my career in technical training and education in the private sector (i.e. a business, not a publicly funded institution). Prepare for a potential short term expression of ‘need’ (desire, actually), followed by a deafening silence once the actual cost per student for business viability is known. But please, everyone, surprise me! Indicate in your expression of need how much you would be willing to pay per hour of learning.

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All amps don't "clean up" the same. That phenomenon is a result of the interaction between the guitar's pickups and the amp's input circuitry. While the Helix amps are very well modeled, in the end they are not really tubes. All that said, my guitars, single coils to JBs to high output ceramics, all "clean up" just fine with the Helix amps I use. The INPUT circuitry of most REAL WORLD amps is 1MegOhm impedance. Certain FX placed between the guitar and an amp's input (see below) are lower than that and in order to get "authentic" sound from the modeled FX Helix uses analog circuitry to mimic that interaction with the pickups. First thing to do is to check GLOBAL SETTINGS>PREFERENCES>AUTO IN-Z. When set to ENABLED Helix uses that analog circuitry to mimic the interaction between your pickups and that type of effect, using the first ACTIVE effect in the signal chain as a reference. When set to FIRST it uses the FIRST effect, active OR bypassed. Since MOST of the FX in Helix are 1M input impedance, the ENABLED/AUTO settings will normally be fine. If you ALWAYS want your pickups to act like you're plugged straight into an amp (you don't use those FX), then on the INPUT BLOCK of each preset set the IN-Z to "1M Ohm". This overrides the GLOBAL IN-Z setting and is as close as Helix gets to that (plugged straight into an amp) behavior. There's a spreadsheet online somewhere that has all of the Helix FX impedance info, but I can't find it just now. Here's a partial list distilled from that SS. Thanks to @John Mark Painter on TGP. The post is from 2020, so you might want to do a search for the actual spreadsheet which was updated to v3.80: All Dynamics are 1M All Reverbs are 1M All Pitch are 1M All Filters are 1M Wah with Impedance Changes Weeper 90k Teardrop 90k UK 136k Delays with Impedance changes Analog Echo 230k Elephant Man 90k Analog w/Mod 90k MultiHead 22k Cosmos 10k Modulations with Impedance changes 70's Chorus 22k Analog Chorus 22k Courtesan 136 Vibe Rotary 90k Dual Phaser 230k U-Vibe 90k Distortion with Impedance Changes BIGHORN (Tested manually...check for yourself and confirm) 70k? Deranged Master 22-32k Colordrive 136k Triangle Fuzz 22k Fuzz Pi 22k Arbitrator 10k Facial Fuzz 22k Buzz Saw 230k Tychoctavia 230k Octave Fuzz 230k Jumbo Fuzz 90k Industrial Fuzz 10k Hedgehog 230k Scream 808 230k Scream 230k

Dani197819, What I am reading in this thread sounds like a "Yamaha/Line6 University" and or "Helix Stadium University" request. silverhead is correct in that, so far, this is out of the realm of Yamaha/Line 6 wheelhouse. Many years ago this forum (I remember the first Mesa Boogie forum) and others began evolving into a community of fellow musicians sharing their tips and tricks that has evolved into a great KB sharing community for musicians. Having said that, while the truth (information) is out there (forgive me X files), with all the many various YouTube creators tips & tricks AND how-to videos to date for just about everything they have learned and how to use the many levels of the product, modeling itself as well as what Helix has done and may well be being done by other manufacturers has evolved and is evolving into a platform of many disciplines. In the OG Helix and the Stadium forums I've seen basic how to(s) for getting the amp to be adjusted for what the end user want to hear. I've seen threads on using 3rd party devices for level normalizing and checking. I've seen some recording suggestions tips and tricks. I've even read discussions on the frequency curves for amplifier speakers for hi and low cuts to get as authentic a sound as possible from modelers. I agree we have come into the "as simple and as complex" world for modeling devices as we want to get. I am wondering if the real challenge is that a University type of teaching platform would require every thing the Helix Stadium can do to be broken down into many levels to include but not be limited to routing for one, midi for one, preset leveling, multipath creation, even sound recording for stem extraction and tracking (Showcase), etc. I know that there are musicians saying the OG Helix is all the need right now and others using the Stadium very happy with the new current and upcoming improvements for the "stage control rig of the future" this can and is becoming. This leads me to my final action item questions ... how many would appreciate the need for this type of university approach as well as the additional costs we might pay for this training. Hopefully someone reading this thread will be able to formulate a business model development approach if enough of us request and deem it necessary enough. Thanks for starting this thread. jpd

Not with the looper flags, those should not involve midi. The use of the midi flags is my workaround for the issue. They work better than the dedicated looper flags.