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Sharing this because I went crazy trying to figure it out, and maybe it’ll save someone else some time. A few days ago, I tried logging into Line 6 Helix Stadium, but the QR code never appeared. The manual login didn’t work either. To make things worse, the HX Stadium App kept crashing, and I couldn’t update it from my computer or through Line 6 Central. Ironically, those were the two options the manufacturer recommended when I contacted support. Since I work in tech, something didn’t add up. Everything pointed to the app not connecting to the server, which explained why the QR wouldn’t generate. Then I thought: “What if it’s the time zone?” I tried something simple: Disabled automatic time synchronization Set the time manually And… BOOM! The QR popped up instantly, and I was able to log in without any issues. Hope this helps someone out there.

I spent a lot of time going through the settings the Tone War guy suggested for all the metal amps and got those where they sounded great. I came across this by accident looking for different blocks to try...At the very end of your final chain get a stereo model of the Bass DI (located in the Dist section) put the Bass and Treb at 4-5 and the level to suit, this will give your preset a full rich low end def and sparkle presence no EQ or Comp can do. Try it you will be adding it to your presets asap. I have no idea what it was intended for but man it fixes the punch and feel of the real amp that is missing.

A reminder to all users that this forum is a peer-to-peer user forum. No one from Line 6, particularly not the developers, is required to hang out here. Some do occasionally out of personal interest but we as users shouldn’t count on it. Nobody here can fix a bug or implement a new feature. Accordingly, this is not the official place to make bug reports or feature requests. If you want your bug report or feature request to actually reach Line 6 you need to do something else. To report a bug, open a support ticket. https://line6.com/support/tickets/add.html To submit a feature request: https://line6.com/company/contact/productfeedback/

First good size show with Stadium last night and it went great. New form factor was nice getting there (able to fit in my carry on). Love the touch screen capabilities and on site tweaks and levelling. Also liked the easy to get at mute on the XLR mixer matrix for front of house. Updated all my patches to use agora and they sound WAY better. Less digital artifacts and just more clarity and feel. Not just me - bass, vocals and others commented. Used showcase to import my stems and get ready. Great start and can't wait to see what's in store.

I can understand your disappointment. Of course, disappointment is a corollary of expectations. Recall that, late in development, Line 6 publicly polled users with the question “Would you prefer a more complete and finished product that will be released later, or a less complete product available sooner?” The clear user preference was sooner, with additional features coming later. Accordingly one should not expect a complete product at this point. You’re absolutely right that promised features like proxy capture remain unfulfilled, as expected. Will other features like preset spillover be added in a future firmware release? I certainly expect so, but I’m not putting any timing on that. Helix Stadium is still very much in its early development. It will, and already has, been much improved. For instance the Showcase feature was not released in v1.1; it arrived in v1.2. Also, v1.2.1 was released very recently, fixing some 50-odd bugs. I think anyone who owns a Stadium device now should consider themselves to be early adopters, complete with the associated bugs and glitches. You don’t have to use it yet. You can wait for several more months until it is more complete and less buggy. Most users responding to the Line 6 outreach wanted it sooner rather than later, and that’s what Line 6 did. Who knows what Stadium will become? Recall that the original Helix product has evolved significantly since its release. It is hardly recognizable now compared to that time. The same will happen with Stadium. As you point out it is currently unfinished. Of course, your feelings are your own and they are legitimate based on a certain set of (reasonable?) expectations.

I have read the Stadium online manual from beginning to end. I realize it cannot be in download format because of the embedded videos. So, whether that is good news or bad news it is, in my humble opinion, just news. I realized answers to about 80% of the questions so far, including my 60% of questions, are in the manual. There are few typos regarding XL versus no XL but Line 6 may correct them once the non XL ships. I, for one, will be sitting down for about a week going through each step of the manual. The various sub displays on the touch screen make it worth it for me. If I am not back in a week that means I wasn't able to shower after woodshedding and my wife isn't allowing me in the house until I go YMCA and shower there. I can only speak for myself in that, after reading the complete manual and checking the videos, it will be well worth the trouble for me. Wish me luck. jpd

I captured a bit of Steve Sterlacci's video: and imported into Logic so I could use Match EQ to learn more about the differences between Helix Floor and Helix Stadium Agoura amp models. Steve clearly demonstrates the long known issue with Helix Floor having a somewhat odd high-end emphasis (sometime call squirrels, fizz, ice-pick, etc.) that needed to be tamed with pretty aggressive high cuts in the cab block. The Agoura amp models don't see to have this emphasized and somewhat tiring high end. We can use Logic's Match EQ to get a better idea what EQ would be required to make Helix Floor more closely match the Agoura models, and maybe be better informed about how to EQ Helix Floor to tame the high end. The Match EQ graph is quite interesting: As we might have expected, there's additional high end in Helix Floor starting at around 1 kHz, gradually increasing to about 8 dB at around 6 kHz that Match EQ is cutting. What's surprising is the significant boost in the "air" frequencies about 6 kHz and up to 20 kHz. That could be part of the amp models, or the better hardware in Helix Stadium. Now I captured this off a YouTube video, so I don't expect the audio to be that great. And I only matched one sample from the video. So this might not be that accurate. But it perhaps gives us a starting point to know how a little more about how to tame the Helix Floor's high end. So try it, using a high cut at say 5 kHz, or parametric, graphic or even global EQ to match what Match EQ is suggesting. This might breath new life into your Helix Floor.

I'm wondering if the Stadium will have any or updated vocal effect integration similar to Headrush. I have been waiting for Line 6 to do this with my current Helix Floor but I guess it's never been a priority. I'd like to have a single unit to handle vocals and guitar that uses all new tech.

You'll never get an answer. Line 6 doesn't give a damn about its users.

None of the manufacturer's recommendations fixed the problem. Considering that it appears to be a connection problem with Line 6's servers, I tried something simple: I disabled "Date Time via Wifi" and setting the time/date manually, and boom! It fixed everything instantly! Incorrect time zone prevents connection to Line 6 servers.

I will be taking a two week hiatus from music starting this week. Hope you all have a great Christmas and a fun filled entrance into 2026. This will be the first year I did not applied for any music jobs during the end of year and first of year since 1967. My present to my family and myself is to be present this whole period. If I do not appear active for the next few weeks I am not being rude. Maybe you all and the Line 6 staff you may read this have a wonderful time this season! jpd

Hi, Yes, no problem, providing you are using the latest version of the Firmware there shouldn't be any issues. Connect your Helix to your computer via USB, then simply drag and drop the preset .hlx file into an empty "New Preset" slot (or overwrite and existing one). It should then appear on your hardware. Done. Note: The Helix uses 2 DSP chips whereas the the HX Stomp is limited to a single chip. This means that a preset intended for use on the Stomp, or XL, can only occupy blocks on a single path. It is also possible to create a preset on your Helix which uses only a single path, and provided it doesn't exceed the single DSP and block usage, it can be used in a single chip unit. Hope this helps/makes sense.

Capture was taken with the same settings on the amp as in the preset. Let me know what you think. Best, Tim Rockerverb VS.hsp LRS Orng Rock Gain 5 DI.clone

How do you dial in your overdriven presets? With my ears - not meant to be facetious, but really that's all that matters. 'Standard practice' is BS, it's just doing what others do and may not work for you. You may want/need to change your mic/cab approach for dirtier sounds, or even the amp settings. Luckily you can do all those changes with one button push using snapshots. I think you need to throw away analog approaches (which frankly were always a massive compromise (amp + cab with pedals in front) and embrace what digital offers in terms of clean and dirty and 'disgusting' can all be highly independent. You are no longer bound to amp/pedal/can settings based on what you have onstage. Play and learn, and have some fun.

Kind of defeats the purpose of a modeller doesn’t it?

This biggest point here is this: Line 6 asked the community if they would be willing to wait or get it earlier - most said they could ride it out and get the updates as the bugs were worked out . . . it sounded like most wanted the unit sooner rather than later (I know I did). Since I'm not using it to gig with at this time, I'll push thru the problems for now. Syphus

If you are on Windows, please look in Device Manager and let us know if you see 'Helix Stadium Bulk Transfer' listed under 'Other Devices.' You may see a blue question mark inside a white circle associated with it. That means the Line 6's Windows USB driver didn't load which will explain the Stadium app crashing every time you attempt to connect to the Stadium XL. I have a support ticket submitted for this. For me personally, it is a moot issue at this point since I decided to order a MacBook Air to work around the issue.

Just received the THON (Thomann) case for my Stadium. I love their cases - have been using one for many years. Built like a tank AND cheaper than the backpack :). It can be operated from inside the lid. It has room in front (where the vents are) and the unit sits suspended by foam sides about 2 cm in the air, so there is plenty of room for heat dissipation underneath. There is also room behind the unit, for the power cable.

please check to see if you have it set (global settings) to automatically assign the block to a footswitch. If this is set to manual, then adding a wah or volume will not work correctly until you make their assignments manually. easiest fix is to delete them, turn on the automatic add and add them again. Hope that helps.

Yes. In your Stomp XL preset use separate amp and cab models (not an integrated amp+cab) and place a SEND block between the amp and cab blocks in the signal chain. Connect the SEND output to the amp’s cab input. Connect the main outputs to FOH. Make sure the output and input levels match. You can position any FX blocks before or after the SEND block depending on whether you want them to be heard in your onstage cab or not.

Yes. That’s what I did: backup factory reset restore backup delete songs reimport kind of a pain but it’s still working for me!

The issue was confirmed and reproduced by line 6 support. fingers crossed!

Great discussion. Being able to recall songs via midi (with an associated Preset) will be critical for me (and I suspect others). I may delay purchasing the Stadium until I know this feature has been added. In my small acoustic duo, I use OnSong on an iPad to send PC changes to my devices (BeatBuddy, HX Stomp, and Rc500 looper (backing tracks)) for each/every song. I then use a Morningstar MC8 to control these devices while performing the song. My intent is/was for the Stadium to replace the HX Stomp, RC500, and Morningstar (smaller footprint and less complexity). I go into every gig with a pre-built setlist (in OnSong), but invariably every show is different and we make changes on-the-fly depending on the vibe in the room, audience requests, etc. In those situations, all I need to do is select the song in OnSong, and it loads the beats and/or backing tracks and presets across all my devices - no menu diving, no tap dancing. I get that I could build Setlists (presets) or Playlists (songs) in Stadium, but those don't seem to easily allow for flexibility when ad-hoc set list changes are taking place. The internal Set Lists/Play Lists probably will work fine for larger shows with pre-defined lists that won't likely change. For smaller acts, we're going to need flexibility to call up songs (with associated presets) in a much more flexible manner. Showcase has such promise to help smaller acts add new elements to their shows and I hope Line6 can incorporate features that meet the needs of both large and small acts/performers.

I connected the send 1 from my Stadium to the input for a stage monitor I have on hand. I set the FX loop 1 output to instrument because line level was too loud. Then I set the output for the tuner to send 1. When I used the tuner there is no output to FOH and the monitor gave me my ""on stage" audio. Adjusting the level output on the monitor, I was able to have a very controlled output volume to listen to my tuning as well as if I wanted to "test" a part without going through the board. If you have something like a Behringer EUROLIVE B105D (or smaller) and a On-Stage SSAS7000B it could be a solution for about $150.00 without having to bend over. Just a thought. jpd

Why is there no option to have the preset BPM persistently displayed above the tap tempo switch like there was in Helix floor? I have looked everything in global settings as well as the same spot in the OG Helix Displays settings. Would love for this to be included in the next update, please!

My levels are about the same. I wouldn’t worry about it unless you hear something you think isn’t right. I pay more attention to the signal level indicator in the Output block; if that turns red it means there’s clipping. Also, you can test the output level meter (the one on the right thwt you refer to) in the Amp block. If it behaves like a normal level meter it might change colour to orange and then red as you raise the amp’s Drive/Gain, Master, and/or Channel levels. I don’t know if it actually does change, but if you can make it change colour then you can be confident everything’s OK as long as it stays green.

Yes, custom setlists is the way to go for live events. Be aware, though, that the implementation of setlists is completely different in Stadium vs. OG Helix. There is a big conceptual change, and I think some bugs that still need to be worked out. The following is aimed at all readers here, not you specifically….. Conceptually, the USER setlist is now the only place where the actual presets live. A custom setlist is a list of aliases (pointers) to the USER setlist presets. Read the associated section in the online manual for clarification. This is still early days for the new mindset and implementation. I have experienced and reported some behaviours that I think are bugs: - when you Export a preset from the USER preset view it creates the associated preset file on your computer, as expected. When you Export a preset from a custom setlist view it creates a copy of the alias on your computer. If you’re not careful you can overwrite the actual preset on your computer. I think Exporting presets from the setlist view should be disabled; I can’t see any use for saving a single alias in a file. I can see a use for exporting/saving a setlist of aliases. - I have also experienced duplicates. I think there should only be a single copy of any preset name. I think any bracketed duplicate preset name is the result of a bug. If it’s a different preset it should have a different name; if it’s actually a duplicate of the same preset it shouldn’t exist. That’s the whole idea of the new implementation. My suggestion at this point, until some bugs are resolved, is to edit and Save presets only from the USER setlist view. The interaction between the presets themselves in the USER setlist and their aliases in custom setlists is where I think the bugs live. This will require careful attention and some extra touches (on the device) or mouse clicks (in the app/Librarian) for a little while to make sure you are in the USER setlist view but it should reduce the unexpected behaviours. I may end up eating my words here. If there is a valid reason for duplicate presets to exist in the USER setlist I would like to hear it. Meantime I encourage everyone experiencing duplicate preset names to open a support ticket to report it. The more info and evidence Line 6 has of these bugs the more likely they will get fixed sooner than later.

When are we going to get a printable file version of the manual? Some of us like to read and understand things to make better use of the unit's features. Especially with the upgrades coming for Showcase and Proxy. The on screen stuff is great and all but something of this depth and complexity needs a manual.

Hope this helps as well - In the list view for amps (not legacy amps) there will be a thin gray line and any amp above is Agora and those below are HX.

STFW means Search the F*&$ Website! I just want to highlight that Line 6 has taken a new approach to the product manual for Helix Stadium. It is not a downloadable PDF file. Instead, it is its own integrated, cross-referenced, well indexed, searchable website that includes links to videos where appropriate. It also includes the Helix Stadium app ‘manual’. The Support -> Manuals area provides a link to this new ‘manual’. I strongly suggest you check it out. For your convenience… https://line6.com/helix-stadium-manual/ We all know that it is common etiquette in user forums to do at least some research for existing answers to questions, especially basic operational questions, before asking in the forum. This new approach to the manual makes that very simple. So, in future, rather than suggesting that someone RTFM I will just say (politely, of course) STFW.

That may be the case, but it is the most likely place to find Eric in his guise of Digital_Igloo. Plus it was in TGP where he first mentioned the continued support for the original Helix range of products.

Hi, Alex, I’m not sure if this will clarify if you have found a bug, or not, but it is from “Sam”, the guy who designed the effect. https://www.afteraudio.com/musings/blog/helix-double-take-double-tracker-explained Hope this helps/makes sense. EDIT: If you think it is a genuine bug, then you really should raise a ticket with Customer Support, as no Line 6 employees hang out here, and therefore it maybe overlooked and it will never get fixed.

I think you’ve got the cart before the horse. It all boils down to computers and binary structures; powers of 2. The first step was a hardware design decision: how much memory space to allocate for preset storage on the device? For the full Helix devices it was decided that 1,024 (2 to the 10th power) presets would be stored. From there the presets were conceptually organized into 8 setlists of 128 presets; an arbitrary organization for human convenience. Then the presets were conceptually organized into 32 banks of 4, again for human convenience. Note that all the numbers are powers of 2; that’s driven by the nature of computer hardware. The final step was to decide on a convenient and affordable number of hardware footswitches to address and recall individual banks and presets. It was decided to use 2 configurable footswitches (Up/Down) for selecting banks, presets, and snapshots and 2 rows of 4 footswitches that could be configured for selecting individual presets and/or snapshots within a preset. Finally an arbitrary choice of A through D was made to label the 4 presets in a bank. So the A through D footswitch labels were derived from the preset structure and computer memory rather than the reverse.

This guy always turns 2 minutes of useful information into a 20 minute video ;). But I think I was able to sift out the useful parts. Thanks.

Your amp is MONO. Unless it isn't, which wouldn't matter because... Your Captor is MONO. The only stereo fx possible FROM the Captor is when you use the Two Notes FX. You cannot send stereo TO the Captor. You can put your amp into an HXFX Block, but you can't send that signal back to the Captor without creating a feedback loop because the Captor does not have its own internal FX Loop - it only has the one MONO input. In any case, if it DID have an internal FX Loop it would have to be STEREO to do what you want. The MONO solution I suggested previously is your only option with your existing gear.

The correct answer is: Tomorrow.

Hi, Well this is a really flawed argument before it even starts. Sticking any IR, or modelled cabinet, into a signal chain is never going to be real simply because of the very definition of "model"or "impulse response". My issue is, I'm a studio rat, and consequently the only real speakers involved in anything I do are my Kali Audio IN-8 V2 studio monitors, situated just over a metre away from each of my ears. Subsequently, anything that I have recorded using this set up will be burned onto a CD, or ported to a flash drive, and listened to in another environment, such as in a car, on a domestic hi-fi system, or whatever, and if is sounds good compared to commercially available audio productions, then that's good enough for me. I say that because in many recording studios that create the original audio that you eventually hear on CD, or some streaming device, it will have been made in a very similar fashion to the one I described - an audio engineer sitting in a control room listening to the mic'ed up guitar, bass cab (even a Helix, or whatever) through some studio monitors. What I'm getting at is, if you are using your Helix, with either an IR, or one of the newer cab models, and that final audio is output to a mono 12inch speaker in a wooden box, then it will bear no comparison to what I would hear from the same signal chain. Speakers are the final link in the chain of getting the audio out through the air between the cone and your ears. The tone will only be as good as that last link in the chain, even headphones. Playing live will be a very different experience, but the same applies - put any great audio signal through some cheapo small speakers and it will more than likely not sound very good. As noted by @silverhead in the post above, ‘REAL modelization’ is an oxymoron. Having said all that - in Eric's keynote speech at the launch of the Helix Stadium he does state that the new Agoura system it uses, allows the cab models to interact more dynamically with the amp model for a somewhat more real experience. I have not heard any audio examples of this new stuff, so it remains to be seen/heard how convincing this is, because every release of every update on any modelling platform (Helix, ToneX, AxeFX, et al) has claimed it is the most realistic recreation ever. Yeah, right. You want real - buy an amp and speaker cab and stick a mic in front - Note: you will probably need an audio engineer to make sound like it does on a recording. Hope this helps makes sense.

Helix Stadium!!! woooohoo!!! I love that they brought back the step design. Not sure if the foot switches are same as before. Looks pretty slick. Not a fan of the thinner EXP pedal... This thing will be so complicated....

I have it working better than before but had to max things right out to get a working clean sound; minimum gain, max master and channel volume. It sounds OK but you lose headroom on your other channels, if they're too loud then the clean sound is inaudible by comparison. On the whole I'm very, very happy with the PodExpress especially for the very small amount of money, but Line6, if you're listening, maybe a little more headroom on the only clean amp?

I have the same issue and it’s extremely frustrating. I cannot run HX one librarian, Line 6, Central and when I run the Line 6 updater it is just a blank page with nothing shown. I am signed in and I have tried everything that Line 6 has offered and others have offered With no luck. I’m running Windows 11 and I have been over the owners manual more times than I can count. Is there a mode that you have to put the pedal in? If so, I cannot find that out. I have also watched a few of the YouTube videos on updating but if you can’t load the app, the videos are useless. I have tried different ways to remedy the problem and I have tried the same fixes over and over. One of the suggestions is to write click then go to properties then to compatibility and uncheck run this program as an administrator. The trouble is, it’s not checked in the first place. So I have tried to check it close it try the app but still the same horrible results. If only Line 6 would pay attention to this problem because I see others have the same issue. I have also tried to do the same in the root with no luck. Kind of makes me want to throw this thing out a window. Please help.

So now that there is an editor, and cabability for more preset tweaking, do you think L6 will add a Customtone section for the Pod Express for preset sharing?

I'm calling you out on this comment, as it's misleading and poor reasoning. Your unit (just as your future ToneMaster will) lost value the moment you drove it off the lot. That's life, and true of every digital FX box. The floor still sells new for $1300. The used market is currently loaded with Floor units as many folks trade up for newer models, so prices are currently low. It's unfortunate timing for you, and I feel for you. That sucks. But this is how it is when units are replaced by newer ones - nothing special, or unique to Line 6. When Fender releases a new ToneMaster the same thing will happen. You imply that this is the reason you're jumping brands. That's poor reasoning. If you prefer the TM to Helix for its sound or usability, great. Enjoy the TM. But jumping because of this perceived unfairness risks getting another unit you don't like as much for no good reason - and after taking a bath on the sale (at probably the worst time to sell; the stock market may not be for you).

Here ya go - start out with the bite size chunks videos. https://line6.com/support/helix-minutes/ As for the "oldies" thing - pah! You're a mere child - there are quite a few forum users who are beyond their allotted years of "three score and ten". Then when it come to listening to your Helix, please read this: https://blog.line6.com/2023/09/15/eric-klein-at-least-half-of-your-modelers-sound-is-determined-by-your-playback-system/ Hope this helps/makes sense.

If you know of any easy ways to view all of the Block assignments at a glance, then put them here. You could easily view all of the block "BYPASS/CONTROLLER ASSIGN"ments in the HX Edit App as there was a panel devoted to it. I could easily see all 23 (just kidding, 2 or 3) blocks that might be assigned to a footswitch. I hope that they include that in the Stadium eventually.

Not with the looper flags, those should not involve midi. The use of the midi flags is my workaround for the issue. They work better than the dedicated looper flags.

I think we’re going to see improvements in how setlists are implemented in a future firmware update (but I have no basis for that expectation; purely speculation). The idea of using aliases with a single copy of a USER preset is a good one, imho, but the current implementation is a bit confusing to me. Like you, I also see no point in having a setlist file on my computer that has nothing but aliases. I also don’t understand the frequent appearance of a numbered suffix. e.g. (1) behind a USER preset’s name when importing setlists.

Yes, I have set this up in my MIDI controller (homemade Arduino controller) and it’s working just like I had hoped. I have it setup so that when I switch to bank 2 on my controller, it puts the stomp in scroll mode so that I can select a new preset and the when I go back to bank one the stomp goes right to stomp mode.

Line 6 central starts to update and then stops... again and again etc. The whole Line 6 is a joke, nothing more!!!

Hey guys! Been a huge Mule/Haynes fan for years. I wanted to create something that could be used for their full catalog as all the presets I have sampled have just been well... not that great. I'd love your thoughts on this. Let me know what you love and hate! I was a little torn between the Solo Lead Crunch and the Solo Lead OD, ended up settling on the OD with the gain on 2.5. Despite Mule's in your face attitude, Warren plays very low gain in most cases. The sweet spot here is between 7-8.5 on the guitar volume and you can crank it to 10 when you really want it. I can't express how important this is for some tasty Warren tones. Also note, Warren mostly uses the bridge position for rhythm and the neck position for most of his lead stuff. Made this with an SG with Bare Knuckle Mule (PAF style) pickups. Pedal list and function: Low Cut: exactly what it says. He doesn't use it much, but it stays on his board for certain uses. Auto Wah: As we all know, we don't have a great option for this. I tried the mutant as well but this is about as close as I can get for those "Mighty High" sounds. Still wasn't able to really dial it in. Best on around 8 guitar vol. It responds better when you crank up the vol but doesn't sound great with the extra gain. Delay: Well... delay. Nothing fancy. Warren uses a simple analog. Octave: Nothing crazy here either. Just an octave down with enough mix to come through. Rotosphere: Did I few things here which turned out pretty well I think. Tried out the Sadites trick of running two with slightly different speeds on the horn and woofer. I also linked the cab in with the switch to disable the cab when the Roto is activated and added a Low/High shelf since the only cuts were in the cab itself. I added an EQ after the Roto to tame some of the undesirable harshness that comes without it. This also responds and sounds much better/accurate at lower guitar volumes as well. Around 3-5. High&Mighty: Just a high gain Minotaur with the tone rolled way back for some of the more heavy tones like you'd find on High and Mighty. I love the Minotaur for this since it really keeps our definition and doesn't get over-saturated. Klon: Low gain Minotaur just for some tone shaping and tightness. Just Enough: This is something I've been adding to most of my presets. 10-Band EQ with the gain cranked and some eq shaping that acts as a natural overdrive. I've loved this set-up on everything. Especially Fender model amps in a more Country rig. I usually pair it with a volume cut after the cab but didn't feel it was needed here. Feel free to throw it in some of your own presets! Wah: I haven't found a wah on the Helix that I've been a fan of. But the Throaty seems close enough to a Bad Horsie type wah. Reverb: A little plate to fall into the mix. If you're really going for a Warren tone, use very sparingly. But I personally prefer a wetter verb. Cab: Greenback 25 w/57 Mule.hlx