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First, I just want to say they should take the engineers out back and shoot them for making the HD500X signal routing a NIGHTMARE!!! Now, that I've got that out of my system....I've read a TON and downloaded the list of stereo, mono, tru Stereo, etc fx. I want full control of my panning. I think it's ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS THAT AN FX CAN OVERRIDE MY PAN SETTINGS. I have a two channel amp. I want one xlr going to each amp channel. One amp channel is configured for optimal electric guitar tones while the other channel is optimized for acoustic tones. When I'm playing electric guitar, I don't want sound bleeding into my acoustic channel. Now, as I understand it, the only way to maintain control over panning is to end every patch with either a MONO or True Stereo fx. If I don't, no matter what my pan settings are, the signal will go through both xlr lines. Here's the problem. I like to end my signal chain with a Reverb. Turns out NONE of the reverb fx's are either MONO or True Stereo. So, unless someone has a decent idea, am I completely screwed here? Thanks in advance.

Thanks Guru! More to digest. I believe your point #3 & 7b matches w/ my scenarios 1 & 5. I think the bottom line is... 1. If you want to completely control panning, don't use Stereo Thru/Mono Effect or Stereo Thru/Stereo Effect fx in the POST stage's end of the chain. I've tried putting a mono block after it and it STILL doesn't adhere to my Pan settings. I don't know what in the hell Line6 was thinking but it's effing FRUSTRATING!!!! Regardless of what type of effect it is, if I pan all left NOTHING SHOULD COME OUT OF the freaking right XLR channel. I'm getting to the point where I hate this pedal. 2. Every fx block, whether Mono, True Stereo, Stereo Thru/Mono Effect or Stereo Thru/Stereo Effect fx, sends out 2 channels. The only question is whether it's a mono signal duplicated (L + L) or a stereo signal (L + R). 3. The split maintains the two signals to each Path (A & B) and duplicates when necessary (ie, mono block immediately preceding the path split). I'm not quite sure why 2 guitars would overload a signal. I wouldn't be playing both guitars at the same time nor would I use the same patch for an electric and an acoustic for numerous reasons.

I'm honestly not sure this thread, which I've probably read 20x, has helped. I really appreciate those that have tried to help and don't intend to minimize their efforts. I just don't get it. Today, in an attempt to understand it better I set up a number of simple patches. My setup is two guitars plugged into the 500x. Acoustic guitar is in the Aux input and my electric is plugged into the Guitar input. I'm using the XLR outputs. Global inputs applied to all patches. Scenario 1: New Patch; no amp, no fx; only mixer (as default as you get!) Global Inputs: Input 1 = Guitar; Input 2 = Aux GUITAR input only Path A: 100%; Pan All L or 100% Pan all R Result: Path A sends to Output 1 &/or 2 depending on Pan settings. Path B Level/Pan do nothing. I assume the reason for the above results is that I'm not using the Aux input. If I was, Path B would work and Path would do nothing. Yes? Scenario 2: New Patch; no amp, Mono or Stereo Thru/Mono Effect or Stereo Thru/Stereo Effect fx in PRE stage; mixer Global Inputs: Input 1 = Guitar; Input 2 = Aux GUITAR input only Result: Path A sends to Output 1 &/OR 2; Path B sends to Output 1 &/or 2; both channels are dependent on PAN settings. Now I've introduced fx and Path B is working despite not using Aux input. hmmm Scenario 3: New Patch; no amp, Mono fx in POST stage; mixer Global Inputs: Input 1 = Guitar; Input 2 = Aux GUITAR input only Result: Path A sends to Output 1 &/OR 2 depending Path A's Pan settings; Path B generates A LOT OF HISS at high Levels but no sound I pointed out the hiss because other times when Path B isn't getting signals, even if I crank the mixer level, it's still whisper quite. Not in this case though. Scenario 4: New Patch; no amp, Stereo Thru/Mono Effect & Stereo Thru/Stereo Effect fx in POST stage; mixer Global Inputs: Input 1 = Guitar; Input 2 = Aux GUITAR input only Result: Path A sends to Output 1 & 2; Pan settings can't completely turn off an output; Path B settings do nothing. Note: in this scenario it's not 1 or 2. It's 1 AND 2. The signal is going to both outputs regardless of Pan settings. ???? Pan affects the level of sound going to each, but it can't prevent sound from going to one or the other outputs. I'm completely lost here. Scenario 5: New Patch; no amp, True Stereo fx in Pre stage OR POST stage; mixer Global Inputs: Input 1 = Guitar; Input 2 = Aux GUITAR input only Result: Path A sends to Output 1 &/OR 2 depending Path A's Pan settings; Path B settings do nothing. *if guitar is plugged into the AUX input, then Path B sends to Output 1 &/OR 2 and Path A does nothing This is the exact same result as Scenario 1 w/ no FX. Now I'm really confused. Unless scenario 1, the default patch, is a true stereo patch all the way through despite having no fx. Yes? So....if anyone can help me reach true enlightenment, I'd GREATLY appreciate it. I initially figured Input 1 followed Path A and Input 2 (AUX in my case) would follow Path B, but now I'm not thinking that's the case. The one thing that ALMOST seems constant (but for Scenario 4) is that the Pan settings will determine which output carries the signal to my amp. However, if I decide to use Stereo Thru/Mono Effects OR Stereo Thru/Stereo Effects fx in the POST stage, I need to make sure the last fx is either Mono or True Stereo so I can properly pan all Left OR all Right. The other two (Stereo/Thru Mono & Stereo/Thru Stereo), if placed at the end of my signal chain (POST) will prevent me from panning all left or all right. Am I finally getting this? TIA!

Thanks pianoguyy. I'll continue reading. Is my conclusion correct regarding ending the pre stage or final post stage w/ a stereo fx block?

Those links helped tremendously. Thank you! If I'm understanding this correctly, a mono fx block in the PRE position duplicates Input 1's output into the L & R channel. This explains why I couldn't isolate Input 1 to the Left channel. And if I'm understanding brew58's post, I can't have a mono effect after the mixer either. Now, if the mono fx block is in the PATH A/B section, I don't get the -6dB signal loss which could mean more distortion. I can't put it in the POST position because I lose the ability to isolate the Input to a single channel. So this gets interesting when I'm using an acoustic guitar in the AUX input. I'd rather not have the added potential distortion but I need to isolate Input 2 to the Right channel. So, maybe if I were to use a stereo fx block in the last PRE position or in the very last position (post mixer), I could still have the ability to isolate the acoustic guitar's output to the R channel and not have the output at 0dB (vs -6dB)?? It's late, my head is spinning. I need to digest, but I feel like I'm closer to (partial) true enlightenment. B)

Sugardaddy, Input 1: Guitar Input 2: Aux

Thanks guys. Pianoguyy, I believe your picture approximates my signal chain. I didn't realize summing the signal would limit panning. Odd. Brue58, thanks for the links. I'll do a bit more reading to understand how to avoid the problem. Much appreciated.

Hey All, So I'm begrudgingly learning the pedal....just sooo many options but I'm intent on getting there. This is my set up. I've got an amp with two discreet channels. Both channels have separate XLR inputs & separate EQ's. My intent is to plug by electric guitar into the GUITAR IN and my acoustic guitar into the AUX IN. GUITAR IN will go to my amp's CH 1 and the acoustic will route to the amp's CH 2. After doing some reading, I've learned I can pan my electric guitar patches to 100%L and intend to make my acoustic guitar patches pan to 100%R. Before I got too deep, I decided to try this just using my electric guitar. I panned the patch 100%L and then used the HD's XLR RIGHT to CH1. I was trying to make sure there wouldn't be any sound in the right channel when the mixer was panned 100% L. Sure enough, I can still hear my electric guitar in the right channel. So, I took the same patch, panned it 100% R and then used the XLR LEFT to my amp's CH 1. Same thing. I'm trying to avoid sound coming out of both channels (even if one is faint) What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions? Thanks!

Could really use some help. I'm using a genz benz proLT which is an acoustic amp (no Gain/distortion). It has two discreet channels each w/ separate eq and separate blend settings (full tube, full solid state or somewhere in between). I like being able to shape the sound at the amp depending on which guitar I'm using (electric vs acoustic). Ideally I'd like both guitars plugged into the Amp's inputs so I can customize the blend settings (solid vs tube) differently for each guitar. I imagine the signal chain would be this: guitar ---> amp input ---> amp fx send ---> pod guitar in; pod L(mono) Output ---> amp fx return. What global settings would you recommend on the pod? Am I sacrificing anything in setting it up this way? Is there a better alternative? thanks! pc