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  1. Thanks BobCoss. That's really what I needed to hear.
  2. Thank you for that! Maybe I was just holding my pick wrong at the time. It certainly didn't seem that straightforward as I was trying it but maybe because I was trying to do more than just a simple loop it could have gotten more confusing. It is nice to know now that basic loop functionality should work as expected for both a typical Loop pedal as well as Aux Send/Return kind of functionality.
  3. Oh I do, believe me. However, it's that 10% that gets me - stuff that's not addressed in the manual and not easy enough to find out online For example, I had to come here specifically to ask if this device will run these effects. Nowhere in the manual is this addressed. It just says "up to" and "dsp permitting". There's no way to tell which combination of effects will be possible and which won't based on the manual. The other things I asked, OK, yes maybe I missed those.
  4. I was trying to emulate the M and 4 series switch capabilities by putting 2 drives in a S/R loop, and assign a single FS to toggle between them. Then I assigned another FS to bypass/engage the loop. This way I could "pre-set" which drive would be on when the loop was engaged, and have either, but not both (which is the way the 4 series worked and a column on the M series worked). I have found L6 products to be quite intuitive in the past and there are often "tips and tricks" or "secret operation" things to be discovered in the manual, so I did read it, and I do, as another poster suggested, look through the manuals to determine if a product appears to do what I need it to do. Once I couldn't figure out easily how to do this loop I did go through the manual, but again, the behavior didn't seem logical to me. I did in fact get it to work, so I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just saying that I personally found it to be more cumbersome than I expected it to be. But that's a little nag. So we can call it user error and be on our way. The other issue was told to me by Line 6 specifically and they said "it's our fault". The effects were under-reporting their DSP usage so additional effects were NOT greyed out like they were supposed to be. I put in a Twin Reverb, 2 Echorecs and a 63 Spring, and then when scrolling to try to add any other effect, I could get to the effects screen and then it would just freeze as I was scrolling through. Nothing was greyed out anywhere. It would just lock up and I'd have to restart. L6 told me those legacy effects are under-reporting and I just happened to come on a combination that caused this - or maybe, thankfully, made them aware of it. They said it would be addressed in the "next" update but at the time (about a month ago as of this message) I didn't know when that was going to be. They may have already addressed it. As for the number of effects: I appreciate those who've tried it but it seems you tried it on a Helix...a Floor or LT? And the other person tried it on the software only. I was hoping for someone to try it on the HXFX (HX Effects) specifically. Thanks for your help.
  5. I'd love to see step by step instructions for the settings for this (or rather, I would have at the time) because I tried all the combinations I could think of. It didn't matter what I did, the dry signal still came through. IIRC some of the settings would make it be 100% dry even with the loop on, but getting 100% wet without the dry signal also passing was impossible. The loop itself was 100%, but the dry signal path couldn't be disengaged without my putting another block in there to mute it. At this point I can't sit down and replicate the issue, but that it wasn't you just put a pedal in the loop and engage/disengage the loop without messing with a bunch of settings. That's the way it should be, and that wasn't the way it was.
  6. That may be true, and I didn't want to get into this, but it seems "more seamless" when the effects are largely the same or not changing states than when you're changing to a more extremely different set of effect. So two Scenes with all the same effects but just different ones engaged and bypassed is pretty darn seamless. But having a completely different set of effrects in different states seemed a little more noticeable. In fact, IIRC some things, like let's say a drive with a high gain but a low volume, would often "pop" as it changed because it seems to me that the drive processed slightly before the volume so it would come through for milliseconds at a higher volume then suddenly drop down. So it seemed more "abrupt" the more differences there were between the effects. That seems to make sense. But, as you said, it was "more seamless" and that's "more better" if you want as seamless a transition as possible.
  7. I understand this but this is actually not what I'm talking about. Let's say you have 2 drives and 2 mods. And you want EVERY combination. 1. Bypass 2. Drive 1 3. Drive 2 4. Mod 1 5. Mod 2 6. Drive 1 + Mod 1 7. Drive 2 + Mod 1 8. Drive 1 + Mod 2 9. Drive 2 + Mod 2. That is NINE things without even stacking the two drives or the two mods (like combinations of 3 on, or all 4 on). That's 4 Footswitches (i.e. 4 pedals) to be able to get to 9 combinations in a traditional pedalboard (and if you did count the 3 and 4 pedal possibilities, you could STILL get to them with only 4 FSs). Now, yes, it's not a single button push. To go from Drive 1 + Mod 1 to Drive 2 and Mod 2 you'd have to make 4 pushes. With an M13 (or any of the M series) you'd only have to do TWO. Because when you step on Mod 2, Mod 1 would turn off. And when you step on Drive 2, Drive 1 would turn off. so with an M13, I can put 4 effects up, and toggle between 9 states with only 4 switches and 2 presses. To do the same thing in Pedalboard mode on any of the Helix products it will take 4 button presses. If you use Snapshots, it's going to take NINE switches to get to all the possibilities. And again, that doesn't even include any "stacking" possibilities. And just to be clear, that's with only 4 effects. If you add one more effect that you want to put in every combination, the number of combinations basically goes up exponentially. Now, the M13 limits you to two possible stacking options with those 4 effects (if you want to use this exclusive switching behavior in this way). The Helix line doesn't, but at the same time, you're limited to 4 or 8 snapshots - however many the device has AND they all use up a footswitch. To drive this home, if you have a 4 Snapshot device, you can only get to 4 pre-set combinations using up 4 footswitches. Not very handy on a device that only has 3, 4, or 5, or really 6 switches to begin with. Especially if you can't set up Footswitches to be anything you want and are limited to 4+4 or 2+4 modes (bank select and snapshot select, etc.). Furthermore, when you return to a Snapshot, it's either going to be in its original state or the one you left it from - which may not be the one you need at the time. If I need to go from Drive 1 and Mod 1 to Drive 2 and Mod 2, but then on to Drive 1 only, if I go back to Snapshot 1 that means it could still be in the D1+M1 state - which again means engaging SS1, and going into pedalboard mode to turn off the Mod. So the ONLY way around this without having them ordered in a set list is to have a single footswitch for each combination you want - which is 5 more footswitches. The only thing you're gaining is a single button press instead of 4, or, with an M13, TWO. So being able to move from Drive 1 with Chorus to Drive 2 with Flange with a single button push sounds great on paper. And it may be great in practice for people who are fortunate enough to be able to order Snapshots in the form of a setlist. Line 6 products might work for me IF I played with a single band who does mostly the same material each night. But I don't. I play in 4-5 bands and we do different length shows and specialty shows, and many of the things we do are segues where they want no break between songs. So my best bet is to have a pedalboard with as many pedals on it as I need, and manually turn effects on and off, even if it means pressing 3 or 4 buttons in a row. But at least, with the M13, this footswitch behavior allows me to save a few presses and conserve footswitches. And it STILL can do preset mode if I need it. So the Helixes need Footswitches that can be anything - Preset, Snapshot, Toggle, On/Bypass - AND, stepping on 1 turns another, or any other number of effects off. While that "is" a Snapshot, if you could do it like I'm talking about (and the way the M and 4 series did it) you can have a lot more combinations that utilize fewer footswitches - the trade off is more combinations, but with a few more button pushes. Some of the combinations above can still be as little as 1 or 2 pushes - Drive 1 + Mod 1 to Drive Bypassed + Mod 1 - 1 press. Drive 1 + Mod 1 to Drive 1 + Mod 2 - still just 1 press. As far as Ideascale is concerned, don't fool yourself. It's a company. They're out to make a profit. They're "mining" ideas. They're only going to implement something that they know is easy to implement that will guarantee them more sales. It's all about return on investment. It's more a psychological ploy to let users think they have some say in what gets done - they could have planned to do many of these things anyway in fact, so it can make those who voted for it think they got their way. This builds a more loyal fanbase. Very smart, but that doesn't mean good ideas will be implemented. Simply put, they've abandoned the M series approach and I doubt they'll have any incentive to bring it back - especially given so few people understand it and what the products do is enough for what they need them to do.
  8. Thanks, The gap is always a huge issue for me. However, as you said, I would be unlikely to use Leslie and Trem in the same song, so those being different "boards" wouldn't be a big issue - I've been using my M13 this way - simply not changing presets mid-song. However, the M13 does in fact have seamless preset changing! I started thinking last night about the Loop - I remembered I had an M5 and an M13 and tried the M5 in the M13's loop and there was a slight, but noticeable difference in sound. I then remembered that I had in fact tried my own drive pedals in the M13's loop and it didn't work so hot. I started researching last night and I saw a lot of issues with this. In fact, I tried a Helix, and tried using an INTERNAL effect and the problem is the "Send/Return" treats the signal like an Aux Send and Return on a Mixing Console. It creates a Parallel signal flow where the dry signal passes through in addition to the effected signal. This would be fine if you had a delay in your loop set to 100% wet. But for a drive, you need 100% wet signal on the drive and the dry signal muted. Which wasn't easy to do. The loop "paths" are not very intuitive and actually seemed to work in reverse. I didn't see any way to set it so it's like a traditional old school "loop" pedal (not looper) - an effects switcher - like you would use when you wanted to put a tone-sucking-when-bypassed pedal in a loop but then engage/disengage the loop to bring it into or out of the signal path. I finally got it to work by setting the values in what seemed to be the opposite way I'd think they work, and putting an ADDITIONAL BLOCK in the dry signal path with its volume set to 0 to mute the dry path. But that was a lot of work for something that should be "boneheaded simple". So at this point, I think I'm at Wah out front, drives out front, 4 mods and 2 delays, and using a single expression pedal for boost/volume - so 7 effects, 6 assigned to footswitches, 1 "off the board" (the volume). Use presets to get to additional boards. Maybe 2nd expression pedal for some other parameter control (mix of delays... Fast/Slow on a Rotary, etc.). BTW: The software will tell you it will run these things, but it won't freeze up and need to be rebooted like the Helix I tried would when you put the "wrong" effects in there. Since the Legacy effects were under-reporting how much DSP they used, putting them in the software will appear that they'll work, but on the actual device, it locked it up. I couldn't put but 2 delays, a verb, and an amp model into a Helix LT before it would freeze.
  9. I'm not sure I totally understand the limitations of the HX Effects so bear with me here. I think you can have up to 9 blocks, correct? If so, here's what I want (in typical pedal order not necessarily footswitch order): Wah - not assigned to a FS, but able to be activated by just moving an external expression pedal. Phaser - Legacy Phase 90 on FS1 (numbers are irrelevant, I'm just using them to total up to 8 - I assume I can assign this effect to any FS I want). Effects Loop out to external drive pedals, and then back in (any concerns about impedance?) Chorus - Legacy Dimension on FS2 Flanger - Legacy AC Flanger on FS3 Rotary Drum/Horn - Legacy that model on FS4 (or, Legacy Opto Tremolo) Binson Echo Rec - Legacy on FS5 Binson Echo Rec - Legacy on FS6 (one will be fixed, the other tap tempo) 63 Spring Reverb - Legacy again - always on. Now, if the effects loop is a block, that's 9. What I want though is one more thing - a Volume pedal I'll assign a min/max value to operate with another expression pedal. If the FX loop is a block, then I can give up the Reverb and just use my amp's own reverb, and the Volume pedal will be the last block. I want to make sure: A. I can do all this and it has enough DSP (and Line 6 BTW told me the Legacy Effects were under-reporting their DSP usage which would be fixed in an update, so not sure if it's been addressed but I'd like to see if it can do it with all Legacy effects. If not, I could use the new effects, so it would still be nice to for someone to let me know about those if the Legacy ones won't work). Bread and butter stuff - Cry Baby, Phase 90, CE1, MXR Flanger, 122 or 145, Echo Plex x2, a Spring Reverb (if FX loop doesn't take a block) and I think the volume pedal is only a legacy but anything like a clean boost or EQ I can just have a lower volume and higher volume the pedal can go between is fine). B. I will most likely swap out the Rotary with other effects - I realize I probably won't be able to get a polyphonic pitch shift in there, but it could be: Tremolo (typical Blackface), Pitch Shifter/Harmonize (the legacy one or any that work), Fuzz, another drive, etc. These would of course be different Presets! I would really love for someone to actually check and see if it can actually be populated with these 9 blocks. All Legacy, or, if not all the new ones that are similar. I don't need stereo, I don't need parallel paths, etc. etc. I just need to use it as a Mod and Delay box, with a Wah before, a Boost after, an FX loop for my drives. No fancy ambient echoes or verbs, or other stuff - bread and butter classic effects. I can use those in other presets without as many things in them - such as just an Acoustic Sim (and maybe a reverb) That brings up a final question: C. Can I switch between "boards" in real time? If I have a preset with these 9 effects in it, can I press like the mode switch, then go up a preset, to my one with say just the acoustic simulator, and keep playing the sound of the current preset, and when I step on the new preset have it change to "acoustic guitar", then while playing that, press the mode and go back to the 9 effect preset, and press the button and have it go back to at least the recalled state of that one (if not both the recalled or discarded version). Ideally with no break in sound (and do tails hold over preset changes?). If not I would have to do something like give up a block to the acoustic sim, and have a snapshot of 8 and another snapshot of just the acoustic sim (or that and verb). But I need to make sure it can run all this stuff. 9 actual effects - basic effects - if it can only run say, 6 or 7 before it runs out of DSP, that becomes problematic - or if I can't switch presets on the fly and have to give up some blocks, that'll suck even if it will run 9, but if it'll only run 6 or 7, that's even worse. Then I'm to the point of using an external wah, external boost, and external reverb, and may even have to get a real phaser to put out in front of the drives (and maybe fuzz as well...). Thanks in advance for anyone who can test this out for me or give me some insight as to if these things are even possible.
  10. I was hoping to get a feel for how common this is, if it's a just a hiccup a reset will cure, or if it's something that's going to continue to crop up over the life of the product. Also, if I open a support ticket and they're just going to say "do these 5 steps" and it's something someone posts here or a link to, I could try that first and see if it helps.
  11. I got one of the blem units from MF for $699. I've been putting it through its paces (gently). Updated to latest everything. Have been going through what it can and can't do. Had it for what, 3-4 days, been putting a couple hours in per day. Tested headphones jack, etc. Seems "mint" except for it having arrived in Demo Mode with 2.6 or something on it. Update took care of all that. Nothing seems amiss cosmetically or functionally. Buttons/Jacks all solid, LEDs all work, screen still has the peely offy thingy. So I'm building a patch - Amp+Cab on Path B. Pull it down to 2nd path, set the Merge to the 2nd path - output 1 to 1/4", output 2 to XLR (this one's going to FOH). So far so good (Twin model). Put in a 63 Spring, then two Echo Platters - working from the end of the path towards the front. Then I go to put a Chorus in - 70s chorus - get into the choices and scroll down then it locks up. Can't do anything - can't exit the screen, nothing works. Can't do anything but turn it off. Power cycled. Tried the same thing 2 more times, and it locked up at basically the same point each time. I decided to try starting from the front of the path - Wah, Drive, all the mods I want, 2 delays, verb, volume, amp+cab, separate the paths and so on. Seemed to work that time but I wanted to move one of the mods from the upper path to the lower just to move things - couldn't copy and paste (paste greyed out) so I decided to delete thee block from the upper path and just add it to the lower path. Froze again. I doubt very seriously this is any issue with it being a Blem. But I can't afford $700 for something that's not going to work right, discounted or not.
  12. I assume it can't do this (LT) but on the 4 series you could have an effect on FS1, and turn it on or off, but if an effect was engaged on FS1 you could also press say FS3 and it would not only turn FS3 on but bypass the effect on FS1. The M series did this for columns. I can't see any way for the LT to do this. It would be a great feature. Another great feature would be a Loop Pedal - not a "looper" but a Loop Pedal - an A/B - so you could use one FS to turn on and off a loop, and another FS to toggle between or bypass effects in that loop. Basically like how the external FX loop works, but internally!
  13. Ahh, OK. Bummer it's not on the LT.
  14. 3.11 Firmware, 3.10 Edit version. Should all be the latest. I watched this video (below) where he sets up the Up/Down buttons to be "HX Snapshot" buttons. I can't seem to do that. On both the computer and on the unit it shows when you select these, some additional options like choosing the LED color and "customize". He said he had it in "8 Snaphots" but I'm wondering if there's some global behavior I'm not seeing. I can absolutely go into Command Center and set any of the "middle 8" switches to be a Snapshot button. But he's clearly using the up/down (farthest left switches, 1 and 7 I guess) switches as Snapshot switches. Command Center allows me to assign them that way, but, they don't behave as his does. I thought I was missing a global setting, but, since the "customize" icon and LED controls are missing in the software and on the device, I'm not sure that's it. The video's a year old - did they remove this function? I could understand if it was a glitch in the Mac version of the software, but not on the device itself. See at 5:11. When he clicks Snapshot at 5:18 you'll see 5 rows - I only have the first 3 - no LED or Customize.
  15. Is this what you mean? (edit: I just tried this and can't use buttons 1 and 7 (the farthest left ones) like he does, but I can use the middle 8 buttons that way).
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