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Yeah, I looked at the manual and the part about MIDI and CC was a bit confusing and explained that, but they said it could do that.

Ah, crap. I was going to get the HX Effects for my fly rig but then saw how small the HX Stomp was and thought it did that. When I talked with someone at MF and I told them what I wanted to do, they said it would do that. I was not sure. Now I know. I need to return the HX Stomp and get the HX Effects. This is going to be used in 4CM with a tube amp and cab.

I have read and through my little bit of experience so far, that the HX Stomp only sends Program Changes and not CC changes to external devices. I cannot find a way to do this. I thought that it did. I need to be able to have a couple of my parameters on my amp change with a foot switch on HX Stomp. For example boost on my amp is easily controlled on Helix through a CC but I do not see this on HX Stomp.

I got them through Sweetwater with their bundle deal. I had ordered them before then canceled the order because I was not sure, then ordered them again. This time I will let them arrive, experiment but may very well send back. My Grandmeisters sound really good and I got a HX stomp to use with those, although I am thinking the HX Effects might have been a better solution. I may just end up using the Helix at home for 7CM and then direct in to my DAW mixer and studio monitors to practice and record. HX Effects for playing out with the GM.

I hope I am not making a bad decision. Some people seem to really like them.

I had given thought to the 212, but I like the flexibility of maybe only using one cab if I need to and that they are lighter, but then the down side is an extra trip to the car as it were with both cabs. My studio is small and the 212 is big and loud, so the two 112s might be an option. 7CM is really cool. Actually I run a 9CM sometimes since I use a guitar with a second output for Piezo and run a third signal path from AUX on the Helix out one of the XLRs and into a Fishman Loudbox. So I have stereo separation and then I can kick in the acoustic sound whenever I want. But, as you mention it is a lot of cables and a lot of configuring to get things just right and a lot of places along the way that could get things a little crazy. And who wants to do all of that set up for a gig? I made a snake with labels on all of the 1/4 inch jacks, but still a pain. I think to get the stereo and integration of the Piezo, using two 112 cabs would be much easier in the long run. Love my H&K GMs. I used to have the big Triamp with a 4x12 cabinet, but that was so loud and so much to move around and actually I think the GMs sound better with good tubes (Tung-Sol in one and JJs in the other). For a simple gig, I am just going to run one GM with the 2x12 and use an HX stomp for effects and to control everything. The other GM becomes a back up at that point. I may even just use the HX Stomp and a Power Cab if the PC works out. I too used to be a big purest. I had the POD and then the POD XT Live and was never completely happy with the tone. The H&K stuff gave me the tone and the flexibility I needed, but then I got the Helix to run the 7CM and although that is really cool, is a pain. So I started really tweaking the Helix and after getting some IRs, realized just how close modeling has come. Never thought I would say that or think we have arrived at that place, but we have. I think the PC might just take it that much further. The flexibility, ease of use and less chance for tubes failing, etc. (had a GM fail on me at a gig once. It was a bad tube, but then usually a bad tube can take something with it which it did and the amp had to go in for repair) Not a good scene.

I am running the Helix into a small Yamaha mixer into two Yamaha HS 7 to monitor either playing with tracks or for recording. I am also running 7CM into two H&K Grandmeister each with matching 2x12 closed back cabs with V30s. The 7CM is a lot of fun to run stereo/dry-wet applications, but a pain in the butt because of having to make sure everything is routed properly, etc. Lots of cables and having to get both amps set up properly and there can be bleed in the FX loops. I am thinking of getting some power cabs so that I can run stereo a lot easier through Link cables and use this mostly for home playing and maybe some practice gigs. Playing out would be to use one of my Grandmeisters with 2x12 and HX Stomp unless the Power Cabs prove to be easier. Not sure if the Powercabs might be a stupid investment at this point. I know this topic has been discussed at nauseam here, but that is what I am considering. Any ideas on if the Power Cab + might be worth it?

Found the culprit. It was a wiring issue on my end. Took some time to figure out. Thanks for the help.

So, still relatively new to Helix. I got a great Plexi sound based on a Custom Tone download with some Greenbacks IRS and some Vintage 30 IRS from Celestion. What I am noticing is there is a lot of line noise in this patch. I know that High Gain amps have higher line noise, but this is a lot. Even more than my actual H&K Grandmeister on a high gain sound. I have all new cables. Not sure if this is normal and if so, where is a good place to put noise gate in the signal path for Helix without squashing tone? Thanks.

Sometimes removing it then putting it back in the path works. I did not have this exact issue, but in a snap shot when I wanted a Volume block to turn on in one snapshot and off on another, it would not save that configuration, no matter how hard I worked at it. Deleted it from the path, then put it back in again and it is working. Who knows....

I am running 7CM into two H&K Grandmeisters. I would post a picture of my signal path, but I do not have it hosted on a URL and not sure how else to do it. I saw another post where someone posted a video from Line 6 where they put a send in one block and a return in another. However, I have not seen it done this way. Even in the Helix, templates it uses one effects loop do do this. Here is my basic set up. Guitar in > FX Loop 1 Send > Grandmeister 36 In > FX Send from Grandmeister 36 > FX Loop Return 1 on Helix > L Output Helix > FX Return Grandmeister 36 >>FX Loop 2 Send > Grandmeister 40 In > FX Send from Grandmeister 40 > FX Loop Return 2 on Helix > R Output Helix > FX Return Grandmeister 40 My 1st signal path is Guitar > Dynamics> Modulation> FX Loop 1 > Delay> Reverb> Output 1/4" Panned all the way to the Left My 2nd signal path is Guitar > Dynamics> Modulation> FX Loop 2 > Delay> Reverb> Output 1/4" Panned all the way to the Right Grandmeisters have serial loops with no volume adjustments on the amp, just straight serial. Where I am having trouble is that the FX Loop blocks keep lighting up red meaning that it is too hot of a signal. I have lowered the output of 1/4 and the send and returns as well as the big knob master volume and it keeps turning red when playing. If I lower any of these volumes the red will go away but then the sound between when my amp has the fx loop turned on and when it is turned off is significantly different and the tone sucks when fx loop engaged at this volume. When turned back up to where it should be and equal with the unaffected amp, it sounds great, but block is red again. I am not getting any distortion that I notice. I also notice bleed into the other amp if I turn one of the FX loops off on the Helix. This can easily be remedied with a volume block after the FX Loop so not a big deal, just a space user though. Any help would be great. I want to know if I am setting all of this up properly. Thanks.

Johnam71, I am wondering if you were able to figure this out. Any new insights?

Found this thread on another forum. Still cannot determine if the loop on the H&K are line or instrument http://handkusers.forumotion.com/t357-helix-as-the-fx-for-a-gm40-4-cable-method

Thanks guys. I get overwhelmed by the Helix at times and have read where many people abandoned ship to go with traditional set ups again, but in order for me to run both amps in stereo, I can see something like the Helix being the way to go, so I am going to stick it out. Therefore, glad I can ask questions here and get answers. As far as the bleed from one fx loop to another. I have a 7 CM template chosen. One fx loop goes to one Grandmeister and the other fx loop goes to the other. If I turn off the one loop and keep the other one on, you can hear the live one bleeding over to the off one. It is the delay that I am hearing. I will check to see if I have trails on because that may be what is causing it. I am also curious about if I should run stereo effects to get true stereo with these two amps and if so, I am not sure how to do the signal path to achieve this.

Ok. So, I have had the Helix for a couple of months now and have been able to successfully hook up two H&K Grandmeisters to the Helix with 7CM. I have a few qestions. How can I stop bleed over to one of the Effects loop as a preamp when it is turned off? How can I set up the volume properly? When I turn the master volume of the Helix it gets really loud into the amp which overrides what the normal volume of the amp would be. (There is no Loop input control on the Grandmeisters, just simple series loops). Should I set up all inputs and outputs as instrument? Where do I find that? If I want my two amps to go back and forth with delay repeats, how do I do this with 7CM? Have not even begun to dig into how to get the channel changes with MIDI yet and how to do control commands for the amp. Thanks.

Think I figured it out by choosing send 1 and send 2 with no returns and then I can use the Helix preamp.

This is very helpful. The problem I am running into now is how to have everything hooked up in 7CM and then if I want, use the amp models as the preamp in the helix to just use the power amp on my guitar amp. Thus, being able to either use my amps preamp or the Helix. I cannot figure out how to do this. I have tried different paths and assignments to the loops with no luck.

Thanks. I still have a lot to learn with this. So, I could use one path and have everything in Stereo without creating a second path and this path would go to both amps?

I have seen this topic in a couple of places, but yet I do not hear much from anyone using 7CM. I have two H7K Grandmeisters and want to run the Helix into those so that I can get some true stereo effects. I am not exactly sure how to do that (how can I get the effects to be stereo into both amps in the signal chain/) Also, I want to make sure that in certain settings I can use only my H&K preamps but in others be able to use the modeling from the Helix as my preamps and not use the H&K preamps. Thanks.