SaschaFranck

HX Edit is sort of known to sometimes fail in case there's no proper connection to the Line 6 server (which defenitely isn't the most stable one). In such cases, using the updater may help as it allows you to load the FW flash files locally (of course you need to download these as well).

Slap the Top Secret OD in front! And bump up your monitoring volume for extra fun. Apart from some brief look at the Benzines (not exactly my COT but the Mega channel might be useful) and PolyPitch, I was just playing with the Princess so far.

Using the Line 6 Updater is even recommended by Line 6 in case updating via HX Edit fails. Nothing to do with being an outlaw.

Tried the Line 6 Updater instead of HX Edit?

Well, if you need an oscilloscope to notice the warbling that is all over the place, that possibly says more about you than about the algorithm. Sorry, but the warbling is *so* obvious I fail to understand how anybody could say it's not there.

Yeah, we'll see. In my case it's not about fast playing, though - ok, sure, you could of course describe chords as some extremely fast played notes. As said, we'll see. As is, once you're playing slightly more complexed chords, PolyPitch won't even just warble but throw up instead.

Nah, the tuning comment can't be taken seriously, really (no offense meant, donkelley). It'd exclude anything but meticulously (standard) tuned guitars that you don't use bendings and vibratos with, either. Playing a saz? Don't use PolyPitch. Playing a sitar? Don't use PolyPitch. You can see where this is going to... However, it's very likely that PolyPitch (just as many other similar algorithms) is majorly irritated by hamonic overtones. Out of sheer interest, I was playing some plain sine wave patch from a synth through it. Works a *lot* better. Even when playing less complexed chords (such as triads), it's working kind of ok. But once you're using more complexed chords, it all get's warbly, sometimes even more than that (a typical piano Cmaj7 chord such as G-B-C-E is rendered *completely* useless - and fwiw, quite obviously that synth was perfectly in tune). Add to this picture that guitars are far away from producing sine waves and you're into warbling almost all over the place. Having said that, I suppose that with certain bits of pre-filtering (rather extreme high cuts, maybe some low cutting, too) things will become noticeably better. I'll check that out in a bit. But quite obviously, you'd sacrifice your precious guitar tone a lot when doing so.

As you can clearly see by the example I posted, that's what I'm doing.

Are they not showing up on the Helix itself?

Windows 10 seems to have a serious issue with changing machine IDs (or Windows IDs, I don't remember exactly, just read about it a while ago) after updates every now and then. You will likely be using up activations when installing things on machines with their IDs changed. I'd wait for L6 to respond.

Really loving the Princess. As said, that one will become a staple, might even make it as my standard clean amp. Does incredibly well with my alltime favourite drive, namely the Top Secret OD (I really wish they'd do an extended version with tone controls and more output level). That Horizon Gate thing already starts growing on me, too - even if I may never actually use the gate function.

How so? Don't you own a Helix? I don't. But in case someone claims that the shifting quality is not "warbly", that needs to be put into perspective. And IMO there's quite better pitch shifting available (for instance, the Kemper examples I heard were quite astounding). Personally, I'd even vastly prefer a more artificial tone - but without the warble (think along the lines of an EHX HOG or POG). Whatever, I didn't even mean to argue about this, especially as there's little to argue about. Using PolyPitch results in plenty of artefacts as soon as you play something else but powerchords, no way around it. Still very useful, though.

I was using the PolyPitch with all sorts of input levels (straight after the input, straight after the amp, no boosts or whatsoever). Shouldn't be required to adjust anything there. Also, by default the tuning shouldn't matter at all, this is no intelligent pitch shifting - or let me put it that way: If the tuning matters, the algorithm is useless. What if I'd like to tune to concert pitch 444Hz? Or to 438? And octave is an octave. Besides, if the tuning would be relevant, bends, vibratos and whammy bar actions wouldn't work at all (apart from all that, my guitars are pretty much well tuned). But, benefit of a doubt and all that, feel free to record a similar arpeggiated chord pattern as in my example and post it. I will then have another look at what I might be doing wrong. Until then, I trust my ears. And they're telling me that this is a warbly affair. Can still be pretty useful (and I like it already for some things), but it's not a high quality pitch shifting algorithm in any way.

Listen to the attachement. 1 bar without, 1 bar with PolyPitch, even set to 0 semitones, so there's no work to do and no misleading by the transposition itself. Does that sound nice and clean? PolyPitch.mp3

Hm. Ok, each to their own, but I think it's quite a warbly affair.

Oh I know. But that was before I had everything installed. Was likely only due to half the world hammmering the L6 server anyway, things seem to be fine now.

Love the Princess already. This will become a staple for sure.

Ok, update done, absolutely no hiccups, flawless. Checking Poly Pitch almost as I type, mixed feelings. Will work well when slightly mixed in, at 100% wet it's not exactly great. Quite cool, though, as it indeed works nicely on chords.

I think so.

JFYI: HX Native manual download won't work (not that I needed it, just mentioning).

"Press-turning a knob to assign Snapshot control now requires a bit more turning to minimize accidental assignments " A small one but a big one! Ran into that multiple times.

Oh wow, first to reply... Now I'm excited!

Well, not sure - but the very sound example discussed in this thread would at least show that there'd be something that could be done to the FX section. Improving reverbs with some delays (called up straight inside the reverb block) would be one of these options.

Fwiw, being able to load longer IRs would be a dream come true. Unfortunately, the only hardware device I know of doing so was the (now unfortunately discontinued) Epsi by Logidy. I think it'd be about time modelers could do that - too bad, none of them could be updated with such a function as it likely requires quite a different memory architecture (5 second reverb IRs are larger than all the IRs you could cram into the Helix). Nobody would ever complain about reverb quality anymore.

Oops, accidentally deleted my answer (wanted to delete one of my other posts with an invalid GDrive link) - I know that you have already seen it, but for posterity's sake, here it is again: I mixed it up with datacommando's YT vid, my sincere apologies.