boynigel

both the amp's, and the LT's connections work as they should. The second I switched the global setting for the Exp 2 jack from Exp pedal, to Ext Amp, boom- it worked. I then toggled my assigned footswitch multiple times and saw the amp's channel lights change back and forth each time, thought to myself, "success, cool!", shut it down, and here we are. So yes, a necromancer. Maybe even an exorcism.

But I've been spoiled by single-button foot switch pushes via snapshots while using the Helix in stand-alone! now i'm expected to push two buttons? what are we, animals? I saw this ^ video too, BTW. Seen pretty much all of them. Like i said, throwing in the towel would be easier to accept had i not gotten it to work, if only for the 10 seconds before turning it off. I hear you though. Plus, even if i got it to work, there would then be the new problem of why it was humming like a mofo (while in 4cm in addition to the external amp cable being attached). Ground lifts didn't work, nor did changing outlets, but as soon as i removed the cable from my amp's footswitch jack to the LT's EXT Amp/Exp 2 jack, the hum went away. No issues w/4cm alone. Always fun chasing hum sources. I've a love/hate w/Bad Cat, wouldn't be surprised if the problem is on their end. They do some things "different" for sure.

...a guy still fishing for an answer that no one has been able to answer as of yet. it's like the not-so-attractive guy at the nightclub who plays the numbers game. ask enough attractive women to dance, and eventually one will bite. maybe a person who had a similar experience, and has the answer, wasn't around here at the time of my other posts? regardless of repeat questions, the issue I'm having is real, unresolved, and not for a lack of trying. and YOU don't have the answer betacommando, so I'll keep trying from time to time.

saw this weeks ago. didn't work. thanks though buddy

since the manual states the importance of the amp's foot switch jack being "short to sleeve foot switch", yes, they were the first people I reached out to. and yes, they were very nice.

Trying to use my LT to change channels on my Bad Cat amp. Initially I had trouble because after assigning the foot switch via command center it didn’t work. After reading the vucking manual I found my error was that I hadn’t assigned the Ext amp/exp pedal jack to Ext Amp. As soon as I did this I could change channels via the assigned foot switch on my LT. Immediately after achieving this, I shut everything down as I had something to do. When I came back a little while later I was unable to achieve the channel switching functionality. Went back, checked my settings which were correct, just as I’d saved them. Toggled them back and forth but nothing changed. Opened a ticket w/Line 6 and they were stumped. Their best guess was that I needed to recreate the sequence of how I originally achieved amp switching capabilities…which I was not paying any attention to at the time, because I didn’t need to. They suggested turning amp on first, then connecting cables, and vice-versa…then starting with the Helix on, and the amp off, and vice-versa, and a bunch of other setting choice and connection sequences. I think I’ve pretty much exhausted all possible sequences but I figured I’d see if anyone else has run in to this issue, where they might have had to set things up in a certain order, and what that order was for them. I’d almost be more content if I knew my amp just happened to one of those amps that simply can’t do channel switching via Helix, but knowing that it can be achieved after seeing it w/my own eyes is bugging the hell out of me. Yes, I did try different cables and the factory TS foot switch for the amp works perfectly.

given digital igloo's comments over the past months, that when Helix is finally replaced, that it will be something completely different...at risk of stating the obvious, it sure looks like it'll be AI driven...especially when you look at stuff like Ozone plugins, ToneX, etc., AI appears to be poised to be the next standard and looks like it's going to be freakin' great...until it kills us all. ;)

Just out of the blue, weird behavior on my LT. I have my snapshots assigned on the bottom row, effects on/off on the top row. Say I'm on snapshot 1 and I engage a delay, and then switch to snapshot 2. Now when I go back to snapshot 1, the delay is still on. I haven't changed any global settings in months but I went and checked anyway to make sure that under the global settings for snapshot mode/foot switches, that it was set for Auto Return, and it was. I then toggled between manual and auto, then set it back to auto, went back to try again only to find that the effect still wouldn't auto-return to my saved (bypassed) setting. am I overlooking something or have I come upon some kind of bug?

after reading some other similar posts, I'm guessing I need to use a midi switcher instead but figured as a last ditch effort I'd see if anyone else here has a suggestion/fix. it's not so much 4cm that's giving me hum, it's when I'm hooked up for 4cm, and then connect to my amp via the ext amp out jack (for channel switching). That's when the hum is introduced. but that's not the only problem. my LT won't change the amp's channel. at first it was user error because I didn't have the Exp 2 jack set up to EXT AMP OUT, as outlined in the manual. once I did that, it worked. I toggled back and forth between my amps channels several times. success! shut down, walked the dog, came back an hour later- no more channel switching. what? checked all the aforementioned settings, which held, but still no channel switching functionality. I changed them, and then switched them back to how they needed to be and still nothing. out of ideas, tried TRS cable (even though standard 1/4" worked), still nothing. I don't understand how I had external channel switching functionality, and then "poof", it was gone.

like I said, I knew I had asked the question. and I DID search for it on the site and for whatever reason, it didn't come up. actually nothing did. I did try it again just now and it did. go figure, don't know what to tell you. obviously I never got a chance to dig into it back in September. my life has been a lollipopstorm for the last 6 months w/aging, ill parents moved into assisted living, dealing w/their finances, kids, dogs, 60 hour work weeks and more. didn't mean to set you off. things must be far worse for you if this is all it took. SO sorry. do me a favor- just block me or don't answer my questions. I think we've both had enough of each other. good night. hope this helps/makes sense.

you're right, and I KNEW I'd posted this before. but when I put in a search in the box w/the magnifying glass, NOTHING. CAME. UP. how did you find it???

I don't have the Ext Amp jack on my LT like the Helix floor does, but I've heard that the LT can indeed change an external amp's channels. is there a jack on the LT that does double duty in order to make this happen? any one have a link for a how-to?

i hear you. i'm actually in the same boat because i use my helix into the effects loop return of my amp...which means i don't use cabs. I could have sworn you mentioned in another post a while back that you like to wait a good while, as a general rule of precaution, before jumping on the update bandwagon. maybe i mixed you up with someone else.

the law of diminishing returns comes to mind

I was on the FM9 waiting list for a bit over a year. When i finally got my invite, 3.5 had just landed and i was really happy with it, even after watching all the FM9 videos. I decided to try it out. Got in my car to drive up to NH to pick it up, and was still conflicted when i hit a bunch of highway traffic. after about 5 minutes of sitting at a stand still on the hwy, i said, "screw this" and got off at the next exit to turn around and go home. No regrets.

i thought i recall you admitting in one of your posts that you jump around a lot, would the footswitch failures have anything to do w/you being more rough than the average user? and I thought I was overly paranoid/hesitant about updates. ;)

That's kinda what i thought too.

I've always been aware that the Helix LT can act as a controller to change channels in an amp, but what if the amp has 3 channels? doable?

Sorry for the confusion, as i haven't physically tried this yet. I've been doing 4cm for years, just never w/helix, which for me gets a little more confusing when you've got effects loops within an effects loop, but i know how to route correctly for 4cm. my statement that you quoted me on was based on an assumption i made based on past 4cm setups i had with different gear always had guitar hitting the front of the amp no matter what...so i guess i wrongly assumed that the guitar into the amp's pre would be a constant. Will try this tonight. thanks.

I'll give this a try when i get home. I typed this up before seeing this response. sending just in case there's any info that would change anything: So in the 4cm scenario of primarily using my amp’s preamp (LT for effects only), but occasionally swapping the actual amp’s preamp for a Helix amp model via a snapshot, the hurdle seems to be that, sure, I can simply activate the Helix amp model in the effects loop of the physical amp (post-preamp of course), BUT- the front of my amp (preamp) will still be getting a signal from my guitar in addition to the Helix amp model for that given snapshot. Unless, and I’m at work as I write this so I can’t test it, there’s a way to have a snapshot that re-routes my guitar input into the effects loop, thereby bypassing any guitar signal routing (within that snapshot) to the physical amp’s preamp. I’ve never had any reason to try to move my guitar input block to anywhere besides the default front of the chain, and I’m guessing its position is fixed. Plus, if I remember correctly, snapshots don’t allow you to change the order of blocks, so maybe I’m asking too much of the Helix. Everything has its limits. this is why in a perfect world it would be nice if L6 modeled some AIAB pedals, like the Wampler Thirty-Something. of course it's pretty obvious why they wouldn't, and i couldn't blame them.

right. that's how i've been using the LT for the last few years- into the effects return of my amp, obviously w/speaker modeling bypassed. i somehow thought that i could maybe now run the LT via 4cm using my actual amp's preamp section, with hopes that if i wanted to occasionally insert a Helix model post-preamp on my amp...but now that i think about it, the front of my amp would still be receiving my guitar signal in addition to the amp model after the amp's preamp. so close, yet so far! not a big deal. this is all about switching things up for fun and the sake of something a little different for a little while

Right, i realize all of that. i probably could have worded the question better- i was looking to find out if the HX Effects was somehow better optimized than the LT to live in an amp's effects loop given that is what it was designed to do, where the LT was designed as more "stand-alone". Sure, they've always said you could do 4cm w/helix, but the HX came later making me think there was a chance that its ins/outs were better optimized (input pads?) for use in an amp effects loop. Especially in a case like mine where i have a very hot effects loop send level in my amp.

If you have a moment, what's the trick to ensure that any amp modeling happens after my real amp's preamp?

I’ve been using my LT exclusively for a few years now and I want to take a break and give my amps some love. i’m just wondering if the HX Effects would have any edge over the LT as far as how it would perform via 4CM with one of my tube amps. I would imagine my LT is just an oversized HX Effects (w/amp and cab modeling of course) but I just wanted to make sure the HX doesn’t edge it out in this application for some reason unknown to me.

I run my Helix in stereo into two bad cat amps' effects loop returns, bypassing speaker modeling of course. a lot of the time i find that i get the best sound results keeping the power amp modeling section in place (verses preamp only), even though i'm going into a real amp's power section. and yes, TOTAL amp in a room experience. None of that lifeless FRFR sound.