U-Vibe

[dhewer]

Hello Group

 

Where should the U-Vibe be placed in the Chain?  I know it is about what I hear.  And the attachment picture shows my current config.

U-Vibe mix (Min/Max 10-55%)  is assigned to Pedal 2, and Volume to Pedal 1(onboard).

 

So I don't know how it interacts with the delay in this configuration.  It seems to have a thumping tone.  May that is how the u-vib operates.

I like the timing on the delay.  Should the U-Vibe have the same timing as the delay?

 

Thanks

dH

 

[pianoguyy]

You kind of hit the nail on the head. It really depends on what sound you are trying to get. 

 

Personally, I would put the U before delays and reverb --- but that is the sound that I would try to get. 

 

Right now, your Uvibe is vibing and the delays and reverbs are doing their 'echo' of that sound. 

If you put the Uvibe last, then the echoes would be echoing but the vibe would be vibing them. 

 

 

It would make sense to sync the timing. But it would probably cause the music to be bland. Something that was obviously computerized. Instead of something that is more natural sounding. 

Again, it just depends on what you are looking for. I like my echo to be natural, like playing dry in a large empty room. Except when I want them to be an effect that isn't natural sounding. 

 

 

 

 

 

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BUT, if you think about it --- 

The old spinning Leslie Speakers. Any reverb that went into them got rotated just like everything else. No one seemed to mind, so putting a vibe at the end would be no different.  

[dhewer]

Thanks GearHead.

[radatats]

I like where you have it now as it still gives you the unvibed signal to mix in.  With the split path you can also try centering the mixer.

 

Try bringing the depth down to 35, bump the feedback up to 40 and the mix to 100.  You may also want to add a red comp in front of the amp set to 60/60 to bring out the tone a bit. 

 

It also sounds good in front of the amp and after the amp but definitely before the delays and reverb.  I have never gotten a decent tone with it last unlike the Rotary...

[dhewer]

Thanks Rad....

I did a few tweaks.  Brought the Depth down to 61%.  FB as is.

Instead of the Red Comp, I increased the Mixer Path A +3.5 dB (the amp signal to the delay/reverb).  Path B remains flat (U-Vibe).

 

I'll try subbing in the Rotary to see/hear how that sounds.

 

Cheers

[amsdenj]

If you want to get vintage UniVibe sounds, you need to put it in the Pre section - simply because that's what everyone did when the device was commonly used and therefore is what we're use to hearing. This was true with most effects pedals because most guitar amps didn't have effects loops, and most guitar players used power amp clipping to get the desired level of amp distortion. So all effects were before the amplifer, preamp and poweramp.

 

Since we have choices now, this raises the quesiton about what effects go where. Generally things that effect ambience (reverb, delay) and things that effect frequency modulation (chorus and maybe flanger) go after the amplifier so they effect the distorted signal, are generally in stereo, and aren't themselves distorted. These effects are more natural sounding without being distorted.

 

Things that effect gain, tone and phase generally go before distortion. This inicludes compressors, wah, phasors and maybe flanger. The UniVibe mostly effects phase, so it can go in front of the preamp.

 

Flangers are a special case because they can be configured to create a wide range of tonal modulation. This might be better before or after distortion depending on how the flanger is configured.

 

Of course there are no rules, do what produces the sound you're looking for. There are just rough guidelines.

[dhewer]

amsdenj.

 

Thanks for the details.  It helps in the understanding.  thanks for sharing.

 

Cheers

dH