sounds problems when i play live

[corfitz]

Hi

First, i love my helix at home with my small monitors and in-ear.

 

My problem is when i take the helix out live (only had it out live 3 times)  The sounds that sounds great at home with my small monitor just sound like crap live.

Live i play direct into the mixer via xlr cables, and the last time i used my small monitors from home via Jack cables to get more guitar, that helped a Little. But i cant have em to loud, then i cant hear the monitors for the rest of the band.

 

Live the sounds are either all too hizzy or everything is all too bassy (hope u get what i mean) (sorry for the bad English)

 

So my Q is, what is the basic a newbie (had the helix 2 month) shoudt do to get a great basic sound to build on.

 

Im not a Expert in eq, gates,high and Lows and so on, so ull need to explaind it to me like you are talking to a child.

 

Thx

Peter

[specracer986]

As you're aware, the basic problem is you are creating patches using a smaller play back system and lower volumes than what occurs at your gigs. Plus at the gig you are introducing other instruments that greatly affect how you are heard "in the mix". It's pretty hard to work around this discrepancy. I create my patches using my DXR12, which is the same that I use live, and I can play at close to band volume. Even at that, I still need to tweak them after I get together with the band. If you use the Helix for rehearsal with the band, that would be the best time to do some tweaking, as you rehearse. You'll still get some variation at the gig, depending on room size, etc. but not as big of a variation as you're dealing with now.

[rvroberts]

Sounds like you are yet another person who needs to understand the difference between FRFR (full range flat response) and a guitar amp.  Also you probably need to consider the Fletcher Munson effect.

I think they need to create a new manual with this stuff as it is the most common problem.   Generally people say their sounds - particularly distortion sounds fizzy.

What they want is warm smooth distortion.  

So it's not as technical as it sounds.  

Guitar amps and speakers are not capable of a wide frequency range and that is because a guitar doesn't want or sound good spread over a wide frequency range.  The short cut to fixing your tone (you will almost certainly need to adjust the amp tone when you do this) is to go to global EQ and and cut everything below 100Hz.  Then cut everything above 5KHz.  Now you restrict your output to a typical guitar range and welcome to smooth guitar sounds.

There are other ways to do this - but this is a great short cut and just works!

Now to Fletcher Munson - this is about hearing - it says that as sound gets louder, you hearing is different - you hear bottoms and tops more.  Do the Global EQ thing I suggest - chances are that's 90% fix. Then you might still need to tame your lows and highs a bit at volume - unfortunately you can only really do that with experience.

Obviously this is all to taste - you might find you need a little more cut - try a slight boost at say 2K.

[corfitz]

Hi

Thx so far for the advise....

 

I have a live gig NeXT weekend and will reply back here so u can hear how it went...

 

Ill try the advise....

 

Others are more then welcome to give there point og viev

 

Thx

Peter

[jbuhajla]

I purchased two powered PA speakers to use at home to create my presets on. I turn the volume up as close to "gig level" as I can, then adjust my tone. I didn't have any luck trying to create presets with headphones or in ear monitors. 

[gunpointmetal]

Second on everything suggested so far except for using the Global EQ to fix tone issues. Leave the global EQ alone and get your patches to sound the way you want on their own, then use the global EQ to adjust for minor room discrepancies from stage to stage. If you're using your global EQ to fix ALL your tones, then you get in a room where you're bassy or trebly, adjusting the global is going to mess everything up.