amor4jc-2 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I am a music minister and layer guitar synths with my guitar when leading worship and currently own 2 Helix floor units. Triple Play is my synth interface/driver, but I dislike most of the available guitar sim software bundles. Positive Grid's Bias FX works fine with TriplePlay, but not Helix Native. Bias FX is fine, but NOT as good as Helix IMO. I really want to use Helix Native on the TriplePlay, but Helix Native is undiscoverable after scanning the VST plugin folders. What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klangmaler Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just for clarification (and to armchair quarterback ;))... Fishman triple play is a midi pickup (and converter software) mainly and needs sound generators or (soft)synths. Helix Native is a modeling software for 'regular' pickups (or Variaxes, NOT midi guitars) and works as an audio plugin - not as a virtual instrument (VSTi's)... Anyway, check your host software / DAW. Helix should be listed under VST audio effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Triple play Is designed to be able to host VSTs and virtual guitar amps, unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, Native is NOT compatible with Tripleplay at this time, this has been confirmed by Fishman. However it works Great with the Midi Guitar 2 app, and you can host whatever synths you want to layer with Native inside the app, which is a Great VST host and mixer...... Http://www.jamorigin.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klangmaler Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 [...] Native is NOT compatible with Tripleplay at this time, this has been confirmed by Fishman. [...] I'm curious: Where did you find that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm curious: Where did you find that? I thought I saw thread on it in the V-Guitar forum, but now I can't find it....it's possible I'm mistaken, but I know from personal experience that Native doesn't work in the Tripleplay app. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klangmaler Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Well, I see... Anyway, check out wich version of the app you use: Should be 64bit! (Fishman, Native and / or DAW host) https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/when-i-launch-my-fishman-tripleplay-software-it-only-scans-my-32-bit-plug-ins-how-do-i-make-it-see-the-64-bit-plug-ins/ http://line6.com/support/page/kb/_/recording/helix-native/helix-native-faq-r866 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm pretty sure if we ask here , nobody has got Native working with Tripleplay yet............anyone?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr0sty Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm not sure how the fishman would work with helix native. As stated earlier, the triple play is a midi pickup that send midi data derived from notes played on your electric guitar. the midi signal is routed to a vst that is capable of accepting midi inputs. Helix native processes audio signals, not midi input. I have the tripleplay btw. I use it in my daw to trigger midi synths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I'm not sure how the fishman would work with helix native. As stated earlier, the triple play is a midi pickup that send midi data derived from notes played on your electric guitar. the midi signal is routed to a vst that is capable of accepting midi inputs. Helix native processes audio signals, not midi input. I have the tripleplay btw. I use it in my daw to trigger midi synths. Well, then , you do not use the Tripleplay app, apparently , which is fine, but the OP and myself are Using the Tripleplay app as a VST host for guitar input as well as midi from the TP, which is what it is designed for , as illustrated by the enclosed picture, where Bias is loaded into the Guitar channel; the issue is that Native is not recognized when doing the VST scan in the Tripleplay app, the only guitar sim VST that does not get recognized ......and yes ,everything is 64-bit, and Im using a Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I am a music minister and layer guitar synths with my guitar when leading worship and currently own 2 Helix floor units. Triple Play is my synth interface/driver, but I dislike most of the available guitar sim software bundles. Positive Grid's Bias FX works fine with TriplePlay, but not Helix Native. Bias FX is fine, but NOT as good as Helix IMO. I really want to use Helix Native on the TriplePlay, but Helix Native is undiscoverable after scanning the VST plugin folders. What gives? So you see I am in the same boat, and there seems to be no solution until Line 6 and Fishman get together on this, methinks........are you on a Mac as I am? I am going to submit a service ticket with both Line 6 and Fishman, because this is a real issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr0sty Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Yep, you are correct about me not using the app. Sorry for the derail :) Well, then , you do not use the Tripleplay app, apparently , which is fine, but the OP and myself are Using the Tripleplay app as a VST host for guitar input as well as midi from the TP, which is what it is designed for , as illustrated by the enclosed picture, where Bias is loaded into the Guitar channel; the issue is that Native is not recognized when doing the VST scan in the Tripleplay app, the only guitar sim VST that does not get recognized ......and yes ,everything is 64-bit, and Im using a Mac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Yep, you are correct about me not using the app. Sorry for the derail :) No prob, in fact, IMO, the triplplay app was almost unusable until the the recent soft/firmware update, now it and the TP hardware is much better ..if you haven't done the recent upgrade, I strongly recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
requietus666 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I too own TriplePlay and I can say while it is compatible (if compatible means vst plugin reads and loads), it is veeeery unstable. I could easily make TriplePlay crash with busier Native patches (imported from Helix Floor or even made from scratch). And yes, since 1.4 TP is somewhat on new level, very improved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I too own TriplePlay and I can say while it is compatible (if compatible means vst plugin reads and loads), it is veeeery unstable. I could easily make TriplePlay crash with busier Native patches (imported from Helix Floor or even made from scratch). And yes, since 1.4 TP is somewhat on new level, very improved Thanks for responding...I have tried multiple times to scan my VSTs and Native never appears...are you on PC or Mac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
requietus666 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 PC here. TriplePlay comes in 32 and 64 bit versions. Make sure you run x64 version because Native is only x64. oh wait, mac... I am sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundhog Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I believe the Triple Play app only supports VST2 and not VST3. So, if you want to use Helix Native in Triple Play, you need to check the box for the Helix Native VST2 during your Helix Native plug-in installation (VST2 is not checked by default). If installing on Windows, you'll also be prompted where you want the Helix Native VST2 to be installed - you'll need to be sure to define a folder for this, and then be sure Triple Play is configured to scan that VST2 folder so it will find it when it does its VST plug-in scan. Also note that Helix Native will also only run in a 64-bit host, so you also need to be using the 64-bit version of Triple Play. Hope that helps! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradlake Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I believe the Triple Play app only supports VST2 and not VST3. So, if you want to use Helix Native in Triple Play, you need to check the box for the Helix Native VST2 during your Helix Native plug-in installation (VST2 is not checked by default). If installing on Windows, you'll also be prompted where you want the Helix Native VST2 to be installed - you'll need to be sure to define a folder for this, and then be sure Triple Play is configured to scan that VST2 folder so it will find it when it does its VST plug-in scan. Also note that Helix Native will also only run in a 64-bit host, so you also need to be using the 64-bit version of Triple Play. Hope that helps! ..it did, thanks much...the VST 2 slipped by me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzeccagarbugli Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Hi, it's a problem that I've solved with a simple trick: go in the VST3 Plugins folder of your MAC, and make a copy of the Helix Native.vst3; then go in the VST Folder and paste the copy. Rename the extension of the copy from .vst3 to .vst Then close the folders, launch tripleplay and scan the plugins: voilà . For me has worked fine. I hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor4jc-2 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hi, it's a problem that I've solved with a simple trick: go in the VST3 Plugins folder of your MAC, and make a copy of the Helix Native.vst3; then go in the VST Folder and paste the copy. Rename the extension of the copy from .vst3 to .vst Then close the folders, launch tripleplay and scan the plugins: voilà . For me has worked fine. I hope that helps. That is awesome! I will try this as soon as I get a chance. Thank you for a legit suggestion and plausible work around!! Rasberries to the mansplainers who decided to stick their noses in about lollipop they don't know about. TP software is a 64-bit VST host. You do have the option to run it in 32-bit mode, but it would not then function with the bundled software. Indeed, the problem was well documented on Guitar forums. -------------------------------------------- Update: That TOTALLY worked! Many thanks to you azzeccagarbugli!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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