DELAYS: Working out how to get certain delay times

[Aurasphere_au]

Based on my previous thread...am trying to get pretty much

Left Side Delay

   3 x 16ths (Dotted 8th right?)

Right Side Delay
   6 x 16ths (Dotted 1/4 right)

 

Either Ableton is wrong of the delays in Helix are wrong when I try and set the same...as they sound rhythmically completely different...unless I have the above interpretation wrong

 

Also: there seems to be no obvious way of getting dotted triplets?

 

[Schmalle]

Yes, in terms of duration the following applies:

dotted 8th = 1.5 x 8th = 3 x 16th

dotted 4th = 1.5 x 4th = 3 x 8th = 6 x 16th

 

"Dotted" and "triplet" cancel each other out, i.e. a dotted 8th triplet is an 8th note.

[DunedinDragon]

I believe Ableton provides a mathematically correct triplet which is 1.33 + 1.33 + 1.33 = 4 standard beats rounded to the nearest whole number.  I'm not sure any of the delays in the Helix have any provision for that level of precision.

[datacommando]

On 9/8/2023 at 2:46 AM, markwesse said:

Also: there seems to be no obvious way of getting dotted triplets?

Hi,

 

A dot adds 50% again to a note's value: it multiplies the length of a note by 3/2.

A triplet makes 3 copies of a note fit into the space of 2. (Three eighth note triplets in the space of two eighth notes.) So the triplet sign multiplies the length of a note by 2/3.

2/3 * 3/2 = 1.

If you really need precision you could set your timings in milliseconds, but that requires that you don’t deviate from the overall time setting - no jazz!

 

NOTE VALUE	NOTES	DOTTED	TRIPLETS
1/1 (1 Bar)	2000 ms / 0.5 Hz	3000 ms / 0.33 Hz	1333.33 ms / 0.75 Hz
1/2 (2 Beats)	1000 ms / 1 Hz	1500 ms / 0.67 Hz	666.67 ms / 1.5 Hz
1/4 (1 Beat)	500 ms / 2 Hz	750 ms / 1.33 Hz	333.33 ms / 3 Hz
1/8	250 ms / 4 Hz	375 ms / 2.67 Hz	166.67 ms / 6 Hz
1/16	125 ms / 8 Hz	187.5 ms / 5.33 Hz	83.33 ms / 12 Hz
1/32	62.5 ms / 16 Hz	93.75 ms / 10.67 Hz	41.67 ms / 24 Hz
1/64	31.25 ms / 32 Hz	46.88 ms / 21.33 Hz	20.83 ms / 48 Hz

Hope this helps/makes sense.

[Aurasphere_au]

On 9/8/2023 at 6:38 PM, DunedinDragon said:

I believe Ableton provides a mathematically correct triplet which is 1.33 + 1.33 + 1.33 = 4 standard beats rounded to the nearest whole number.  I'm not sure any of the delays in the Helix have any provision for that level of precision.

Yep thats what I thought...cubase has it as well

On 9/8/2023 at 8:12 PM, datacommando said:

requires that you don’t deviate from the overall time setting - no jazz!

Yeah thats not going to work as the feel at each gig is different and I normally tap tempo...its usually within a couple of beats but its incredible how that changes...its normally set by what you feel in the crowd/audience. On top of that add the micro groove and if you are tired...playing a couple of ms behind etc

Thanks anyway. Ideally would love to be able to patch stuff between plugins really but I just left a vote for helix native to do that...if it did I would set up a mini pc rig instead of Helix for sure

[DunedinDragon]

On 9/8/2023 at 6:19 AM, markwesse said:

Yep thats what I thought...cubase has it as well

Yeah thats not going to work as the feel at each gig is different and I normally tap tempo...its usually within a couple of beats but its incredible how that changes...its normally set by what you feel in the crowd/audience. On top of that add the micro groove and if you are tired...playing a couple of ms behind etc

Thanks anyway. Ideally would love to be able to patch stuff between plugins really but I just left a vote for helix native to do that...if it did I would set up a mini pc rig instead of Helix for sure

If it changes in Helix Native it changes in all Helix units.  It's a single code base

[Aurasphere_au]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:45 PM, DunedinDragon said:

If it changes in Helix Native it changes in all Helix units.  It's a single code base

Understood 

Either way...fx send/returns that address digital in either app would be cool