HX one - pre drive and post drive pedals into front of fender deluxe reverb?

[billybob791]

Hey. 
 

I am looking to purchase a new HX one for my board and looking to use it pre drive for tuner, compressor univibe etc but also post drive for wet effects. I will be running this into the from to my fender deluxe reverb so no effect loop.looking for advice to see whether I can I use the input/output before my physical drive pedals and input/output 2 for wet effects after my physical drive pedals? Hope this makes sense? Essentially the pedal is in two place in chain in front of amp. Any help appreciated. 
 

Thanks

 

Will

[silverhead]

If I understand correctly you have one or more external drive pedals, an amp with no FX Loop, and you would like to physically cable the HX One along with the Drive pedal(s) before the amp. No problem so far. But I think you then want the HX One to somehow reposition itself before or after the drive pedal without changing the cabling? No can do. I think by Input 1 vs. Input 2 you mean the stereo L/R channels? Irrelevant to your situation. The HX One has no idea that an external drive pedal exists, nor that it is in front of an amp. It simply takes the input signal appearing at its Input jacks (both Land R with no distinction if both inputs connected), applies the selected FX, and sends the processed signal to its Output jacks, again both L and R (summed to Mono if only L is used).

 

You will need to change the cabling to do what you want.

[billybob791]

Thanks for replying. Maybe it isn’t possible. 
 

the way I was thinking of it working was guitar into the hx input one(r)> hx (r) out to external drive pedal in> drive pedal out into  hx (l) input> hx (l) output to external delay pedal in> external delay out into front of amp. 
 

i was thinking of setting the left input/ output (send return) to pre/post setting so if it was an hex one wet effect it would go to output 2 (l) and output 1 would be sent hx drive pedals. 

[silverhead]

Perhaps it will work. I don’t own an HX One and had forgotten about the Insert setting. Try this setup:

1) Set HX One I/O Config to Insert

2) Connect cables: Guitar -> HX One Input L (Mono) -> HX One Output R (Send) -> external pedal chain Input -> external pedal chain Output -> HX One Input R (Return) HX One Ouput L(Mono) -> amp Input.

3) For each Preset set the Insert Position to choose whether you want the HX One effects loop (your external pedal chain) positioned before (“Pre”) or after (“Post”) the current HX One effect model’s processing.

 

Sorry for my previous misinformation.

[billybob791]

No problem i appreciate your advice. I will give this a try, pedal arrives Tuesday. Fingers crossed it works. 

[rossedwards]

On 6/16/2024 at 6:57 PM, silverhead said:

3) For each Preset set the Insert Position to choose whether you want the HX One effects loop (your external pedal chain) positioned before (“Pre”) or after (“Post”) the current HX One effect model’s processing.

This is the best explanation I've seen for the "Pre" and "Post" terminology... I found it confusing at first, as I was thinking as HX itself as being pre/post; not the effects loop.

 

Thank you!

[mlewi1]

I think you will need an amp with an effects loop to do what you are wanting it to do.

[c00lkatz]

@mlewi1 People who go straight to front of amp usually set the amp clean and get all their drive/distortion from pedals, keeping things like delay/reverb after the drives in the chain. This does the same thing as using an FX loop, as long as you don't overdrive the amp's pre-amp. The point is to NOT run delay/reverb into distortion. As long as they're after distortion, you're fine. Unless you want that sound of course. You run into the same problem even with an FX loop when you overdrive the amp's power amp or phase inverter into distortion, as the FX loop is usually patched in before the PI/power amp.

 

For straight to front end, no amp FX loop, Guitar -> HX Input -> HX Send -> Drive/Distortion Chain -> HX Return -> HX Output -> Mod/Delay/Reverb -> Amp Input (set clean) should get you there without an FX loop. Set the HX to "Insert" mode and set "Pre" for "after drive/distortion, before mod/delay/reverb" and "Post" for "before drive/distortion".

 

In my setup, I utilize an amp with an FX loop AND a Boss NS-2 noise gate with an FX loop for the drive pedals. In this scenario, my signal chain looks like:

 

Guitar -> Tuner -> NS-2 Input -> NS-2 Send -> HX One Input -> HX One Send -> Overdrive/Distortion Chain -> Front of Amp -> Amp FX Loop Send -> NS-2 Return -> NS-2 Output -> Chorus (preference) -> HX One Return -> HX One Output -> Delay/Looper/Reverb/Volume -> Amp FX Loop Return.

 

This way I have the HX One before my drives but included in the NS-2 loop (HX One gate turned off) for use as front end looper, poly capo, OD/fuzz/distortion, front end modulation, Wah, alternate tuner, etc., but can also put it in my amp's FX loop. I toggle the HX One's noise gate and the NS-2 on/off based on where it's positioned. For instance, I turn the NS-2 off if I'm using the HX One looper in the front (since it's inside the NS-2 loop with no guitar triggering it, causing silence or low output). Mainly only do that for tone shaping. I have a Boss RC-1 in the amp's loop for actual live looping.

 

I was looking into a Digitech Drop when I heard about the HX One. Was able to get one for $199 new - cheaper than a Drop and does that and SOOOO much more. Perfect utilitarian pedal for those obscure FX/tools you don't use all the time, and don't want to dedicate a whole spot on your board to that single effect/tool. Love it!