miguel_lopez

Hi: just a simple question: Do you think IR's from other companies such as redwires and ownhammer are better than line6 helix original IR's? thank you! (I have ML soundlab to use them with my AX8 and I find them FAR BETTER than fractal original cab models...)

Hi: ok, so I downloaded the HD FULL pack, and as far as I've tried the new models, I noticed they are INDEED tremendously DIFFERENT, but I think in a "better way" because they are more like a "High Definition" version of all those PODxt original tones. However, yes, indeed, there's something you left behind on the PODxt and there are some "new" stuff in the HD versions. Let's say I'm happy with the experiment, so now I'll get back to work with my usual excess of hardware chain to get my "unique" tone. Rock ON!

This I think I will try those HD packs since I can't find those LINE6 original tones not even in the Helix(not necessarily better or worse). The other day I read a Guitar magazine article (can't remember if it was the deaftones or some other band) they said they recorded their demo with POD 2.0 and when the label record heard it they said it was fine because there was not a way to reproduce it with anything else and had some spice in there they didn't want to get rid of. This is something I experience a lot. Most of the time I write songs with my PODxt and then I use real stuff but sometimes I CAN NOT reproduce the same vibe I did with the PODxt(again... NOT necessarily better or worse; it's that personal print) Thanx for reading and your kind reply Miguel

I know it may be the wrong place to ask this question but, I'll give it a chance here I have all POD family and also Helix, I use them all, including AX8, mixing them all in order to combine elements from each and every processor according to the tone I need... The other day I saw the packs for POD HD and it has original Line6 models I use a lot from the POD xt processors. I am a big fan/user of Acoustic, Aggro, Spinal Puppet and one of my favorite: PURGE!!!. I was wondering if the Metal/Vintage packs for POD HD sounds better than the PODxt amp packs. I use to mix my sound chain as this: PODxt amp models(acoustic, spinal, purge, aggro) ONLY(no cab-mic-room-fx) to the Helix in order to edit all fx eq room scenes etc and finally to the AX8 in order to use the ML SOUND LAB cab packs, as far the best IRs I've used. So, as you can see I need to know if those same original LINE6 amp models will be the same as the PODxt or will they be better in the POD HD(?)... do you think they would be necessary? I really like the high gain spinal, the ultra sterile acoustic and the gritty crunch Purge; tones I Can NOT get from any other processor... Thank you for reading and help Miguel

Line6 Original Spinal Puppet re-mastered in helix would be my dream come true!!! thanx for the explanation but I insist...

this!!!

I have priceless guitars too, and consider they are the most important part in the whole tone formula; a high grade selected wood quality has no point of comparison and I can't explain how Gibson fails even in high grade instruments... sometimes the price is NOT right and I've seen(not mine) cases in musicias buying a very expensive Gibby and NOT too impressive for paying 4 or 5 grands my fenders and Gibbys are great(I play them before buying them); surprisingly what you said, I've polished "custom shop" epis and for a 1000 bucks luthier's job the result has been miraculous, so as many asian guitars I've modified better than USA Gib? Man! I don't know, 'cuz an Ibanez prestige can Do what USA Gib cannot; they are different kinds now, as far as I've gone, I think Fractal is better than Line6 in many ways that you must own both to understand this fact (still PODxt is my favorite lollipop around)

How is that Line6 created POD, then PODxt(vetta stuff), then POD HD, now Helix... what's next??? I have them all, love them all and learned a lot from them

I have

hi: I think I have to print my opinion in here 'cuz it's lack of objectiveness comparing these units is out of place seymour duncan used to have a website with samples of his pickups playing the same guitar, same amp(n' set) same cab, same mic, same guitar player, same riff, same sample rate, same pickup builder yes, I know it's a different case comparing pickups(real world) from digital divices(unreal world) I even used to get deeper with my own instruments comparing everything: paint, brand strings(d'addario, dunlop earnie, etc) pickups, pickup calibration, pick up-strings proximity, pot values, different caps, caps values, fender/gibson braided wire, amp settings, mics, mics placements, mics cables, cab settings, instrument cables, pick gauges and materials, etc playing the same riff to compare a tone this way just makes impossible to pick up your mind, then you'll never know what your choice will be to play-record that catchy tune is in your fingertips then, I realized each ingredient has its own purpose in the whole formula; so, playing the same riff with same guitar, same strings, same pick, same instrument cable, same amp setting, same cab, same mic, same room, same everything just by changing something as the pick up, just to hear a small difference that's not gonna be that noticeable when the rest of the band play together, I'll never notice if my pick up is alnico 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, or ceramic, or di marzio, or 250k pot or 0.022 cap, or orange drop, or bumble bee... then I learned the lesson: I took the same guitar and from scratch I took out the best tone possibilities that suited best for all the properties from the instrument itself: tone wood, pick up, string gauge, pot/cap value, wire, finish(lacquer/poly) hardware, etc I invite every one of you to try both Helix/POD and take the best from each and never try to compare them HOW I WISH LINE6 CREATES A TONE UNIT WITH NO NAMES, JUST WHAT IT IS SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT Digital_Igloo said that the original Line6 models were the "correction" or "improovements" from classic tones in a more eficient way IMAGINE A BRIT 80'S HARD ROCK TONE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TWEAK ANYTHING instead of "modeling" a jcm800... would't be that cool? or any other guitar tone, instead of an ENGL "model" so you spend hours on edit a useless video to demonstrate if real deal is close enough to the digital era's ultimate processor this guy from the video is setting the amps to neutral... why not setting the amps separately getting the best from each, then comparing them will be nuthin' but great tones that are gonna be selected by preferences in a matter of taste instead of eficiency on the other side, I find Fractal Audio better than Line6(have both); but I can't live without either, I need both 'cuz I don't compare the two units as more realistic or closer to the original real world stuff... if that's the case, my favorite high gain tone is the spinal puppet from the old PODxt-V30-421Dynamic set and if I may need a plexi tune I'd pick up original Line6 purge pre amp connected to the ultra high resolution cab model from AX8 and editing effects from the Helix(messy, isn't it?) DON'T forget digital units are not the only divice needed in your tone, that's why all these people is arguing all the time when their divices are NOT enough to determine the tone they are after; trust me, a professional tone comes from a dedicated sound ingeneer than your fingertips and your $1,500-$3,500 piece of gear... NEVER IN THIS LIVE, so as having a nice black face, a fine instrument cable and a priceless guitar won't be enough to sound as SRV: NEVER we are musicians, not sound engeneers, may be we know a bit of production and necessary gear but we play guitar and write music it all depends on what you hear better if it's Fractal, then go there, if it's a real amp-cab-mic-room, go for it, if its's Helix you hear the man the other day I was mic'ing a cab with the best mic I had and it was a very expensive one but I didin't like it at all; at the end I used a mic that came in a sound card combo 'cuz it sounded the best way the song required, maybe a 20 bucks mic!!! So don't get impressed SO easily with expensive toys, and NEVER under-estimate low end divices

begging for a high gain model as the original Line6 agro, spinal puppet, insane... etc

actually I vote for the spinal puppet but there's absolutely nuthin wrong with the agro thanx, my friend!

"I got blisters on my fingers!" I'm SO impressed by this amp, thanks for your kind advice congrats line6! you made it!!! thank you!

2.10 in my Helix, let's tear down the wall and wake up the neighborhood I still miss IR's in the update

Oh Man! sorry, I forgot it =)

THANK YOU! NOW WE ARE TALKIN'!

THERE'S NOTHING MORE I CAN ASK FOR LINE6 THAN AN ORIGINAL LINE6 MODEL WITH NO NEED TO STOMP IN FRONT TO GET A DREAM HIGH GAIN TONE

ANY NEWS OF NEW IR'S IN THE NEXT UPGRADE?

ACTUALLY I MADE A LITTLE RESEARCH 'BOUT THAT AMP AND IT'S SOOO INTERESTING, I'M TEMPTED TO GET A REAL ONE THANX AGAIN FOR YOUR KIND SUPORT AND ENTHUSIASM

OK, LET'S GIVE IT A TRY, THANX! =)

NO HIGH GAIN UPGRADE: NOT INTERESTED

I have two PODxt live and still use them in live gigs to make my crossover stuff which took me a long time practice to get them incredibly working together the way I always wanted nowadays with helix that's possible with a single set up and you have the blender pedal expression since I feel very different both units it would be back to the old style when I used to carry TWO PODxt Live in my gear to gig every time; so, it's not a big deal, I've been there before

as far as I've gone, trust me, they are very different, I mean the tone; yes, they do the same, yes, it's like opening a bottle the way you said, but they sound DIFFERENT(the feel DIFFERENT)

Roscoe5 thank you very much for such a great input here! this is the light at the end of a dark and cold tunnel I wanted to see I've seen you are after better IR's options, since it's a Helix "weakness", also I've seen you have shared lots of GREAT ideasin older posts, so as in here, to go further and try to develope better tones thru better IR's possibilities. Thank you for that helping hand I'm jus a humble musician/artist obsessed with the L&R channel tones, I have almost everything in my equipment set in stereo; two of almost the same stuff: 2 same heads of every amp I have, two of every cab I have, two of etc... Yes, my question is more about getting these units working interactively, but now you mention it, I think it has a bug potential for nice tunes back to the original purpose, I remember having also two different kind of everything in my gear: randal/boogie, Fender/Matchless, Soldano/Marshall... and the same as cabs: v30/gt75, 100k/black shadow, greenback/G12h... and mics: shure/AKG, Sennheiser/Neuman etc... nowadays sometimes I think is a little messy if it's out of control, but when you hear both sftuff working together you notice something different from the bunch of artist around so, having both units will let me work them together in many ways when I got Helix I was shocked using the high gain stuff from PODxt running thru the many "weak" options of CAB/MICS in the helix, and tones of tone correction with global eq, HIFI effects, reverbs, and many other options Helix offers yesterday was too late night to keep rocking loud, but I olny tested the first 16 prsets and I noticed it's a VERY different animal/beast from Helix since I only have a modest car and I've never tried a Lamborgini or a Ferrari, I could say, I suppose(imagine) it's something like that, Man! I don't know what I'm saying, but for sure, L6 and Fractal has NOTHING to do if comparing between them is the purpose having in left channel such a monster as Helix and on the right channel that tiny sucker AX8 may not result into a bad combination after all cheerz and thanx for your kind reply and support

so I finally got my pair of dream bitches: YES! today I went to pick up my Fractal AX8, I'm so excited to have the best of both worlds(perhaps I'm missing Kemper, but not right away; it's too expensive) Having both, As many of you, I'm asking for suggestions of "pairing them" if it's the case you have tried it I'm not posting this thread to compare units, that's been so discussed in other forums both units are the best of the best I was thinking about using AX8 as an external divice, then matching it thru SPDIF into HELIX as an external "stomp" then edit with endless possibilities in the Helix room Any other suggestions??? thanx