Simon268

Hi, in the video of Jason Sadites about Gain Reduction Meters it is not too hard to see:

That reminds me of another story: There was a lumberjack who was so well trained that he could cut trees by juggling with three chainsaws. Everybody was impressed - but since it took him double the time to cut a tree than all the others (and he used a lot more bandages) he ended up being unemployed. ;-)

I'm somewhat on the 'Humbug-Side' ... ;-) Maybe my ears are underdelevoped, but i am more than satisfied (better: overwhelmed) by the number of models ... i don't really hear the difference between 50 Overdrives and most of the amps are pretty flexible in creating a lot of tones....esp. by adding arbitrary combinations of them and cabs and IRs and .... I don't see serious 'gaps' in the spectrum of possible sounds and can't imagine some overdrives or amps (modelled after real ones) bringing completely new sounds and flavours to the device. Just even more scrolling to do .... ;-)

:-D :-D :-D Must be the Illuminati behind this 'meter conspiracy' - just to keep '...some..' from getting that one crucial feature that '...they...' cannot live without .... BTW if it's really '....the masses...' that wanted this - what's wrong with it? Better keep the majority unsatisfied and add some exotic features for some few? (and how do you know that '....some...' are one of them?)

How funny .... Now that meters are announced: Why is there any reason to debate about them? Some want to use them - and now they can. Other don't want to use them - and still aren't forced to. How is that discussion still a thing?

Hi, now THAT's an understandable reason! :-D I don't know, why it took so much '...but i don't need them...'-posts to get there but maybe "Gut Ding will haben Weile". ;-) Thanks.

Ah thanks, maybe not a widespread argument (since i don't see much other audio equipment without level meters), but at least an argument. Sorry, if i offended anyone. Maybe because i'm no native english speaker i miss the subtleties ... may you explain to me, what was inappropriate? Ah - THAT would be an argument, i could comprehend. What a funny self contradiction! :-D What would YOU do with MY answer to YOUR question? How exactly would finding out the "why" would change anything? Solve the puzzle and you have my answer. ;-) Hint: starts with 'c' and ends with 'y'. :-D :-D

I still didn't found an answer to the question of this thread: ' Why no level meters anywhere? ' The closest to an answer was 'I have a way of getting around without' (what is more of an answer to the question 'Why did you personally work with a tool that has no meters?' ;-) ). I assume that nobody knows why there are no level meters. Bye Simon

OH YES!!! THAT would be really great (and i don't see any problems with implementing them). I miss that feature on a regular basis for: - Sometimes in live situations i get a weak output signal (or non at all) from the Helix ... and it would be a much simpler and faster way to finding the cause. - esp. checking my guitar output level - since the output of my active pickups tend to 'fade' (one guitar) oder just 'black out' completely (my other) when the batteries dicharge. - Level management via different presets - esp. with purchased/downloaded presets; it's just annoying to step through a sophisticated preset (from someone else and a lot of snapshots) on the search of the ear blasting volume setting.... And as coda mentioned: It seems so unneccessary to leave them out. Bye Simon

Hmmm As a programmer myself i am not at all calmed down by the explanation of corrupt presets. User data (as presets are) should NEVER disturb system integrity (starting with UI up until crashing the whole system). ....it even shouldnt effect other user data (other presets). E.g. your PC shouldnt crash because of orthographic errors in a single word document.

DAMNN!!! That looks really f...-ed up. :-O :-O :-O I have no idea what the cause might be. I think you should contact line6 support. Wishing you good luck!!

My point is not so much respect (or the lack thereof) but that the level relations typically serve a distinct purpose (the soft swell whispers, the rhythm punches, ....). And that is worth preserving.

I surely hope so!!! ;-) If an author does ANYTHING in his preset unintenionally, i wouldn't be a customer for too long. :-D :-D :-D What to you think about my approach: To add a fixed gain block directly before the output block. ? It should conserve the author intended level relations between the snapshots ... or am i missing something? (needs very few DSP and should fit in every preset ... maybe after a little block shifting) I thought a lot about why this even is a topic for me now on the Helix and never before. And I think the reason is that it is my first unit with analog (= not part of the preset) volume knob (in combination with no output level meter). There are many approaches on how to set the button (12 o'clock, 10 o'clock, max, ...) - all working fine for the resp. preset author, but a difficult for someone who uses presets with different 'volume knob philosophies. Bye Simon

'You dont know how lucky you are, Boys!' ;-) i had a tc electronics g system for a couple of years and THAT was digital guirks HELL. Every preset backup was a 50/50 gamble of getting your presets scrambled (on the device!! And the backup files) .... from being deleted up to just lost/altered a few settings/parameters of a few presets. ;-)

@codamedia Maybe it's hard to believe, but i really didn't. :-) i was always a multieffects guy and since my first steps in 1989 the Helix is my fourth device and the first one without (what i call) a simple way of leveling presets....even the first one without a level meter. But our main difference seems to be that we are talking about two very different scenarios: - You are talking about building a preset on your own, adding one block after the other, routing paths, fiddeling parameters, customizing snapshots,... - i am on the other hand talk about buying 12 presets from 5 different sources, all with different (but very sophisticated) philosophies about how to build presets (incl. Routing, snapshot design, .... and levelling!!). All those presets sound awesome ..... as long as i keep my fat fingers from the parameters. :-) You explained very well why you don't need 'a simple way' (or how your way is simple) in your scenario. But it doesn't apply to mine. bye Simon