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just saying it looks like Gator has come out with a doubling cable that also has the appropriate 2 x 2.1mm Male Right Angle Barrel Plugs & 1 x 2.5mm Straight Male Barrel Plug so you no longer need to buy a doubler AND a 2.5 conversion https://www.amazon.com/Gator-Current-Doubler-Adapter-GTR-PWR-2XCURR-L6/dp/B08W8J83P8/ref=dp_fod_1?pd_rd_i=B08W8J83P8&psc=1

I love the PS into a guitar cab The good news is you can try either way

I'm a huge fan of running modelers through a Fryette Power Station /2x12 cab with Vet30's while sending FOH the Amp + IR signal Really important to tweak your sounds at the volume you are going to normally play at set your low cut 80hz and high cut 12k (lots of possibilities here) prior to sending to your 1/4" out sometimes you might find the preamp version of a specific amp better than the amp + power section of the amp if you like the sound of your cab, it should be a reasonably painless process what's a simple metal tone? 80's or more modern?

subscribed, many thanks for the explanation!

I hate FRFR, it's just not for me, whether I've used an Axe 2, a Kemper or a Helix I'm always running a direct signal with IR's going to FOH and the raw guitar sound going through a guitar cab onstage This is not a big deal and I respectfully disagree with most of the opinions posted above here is a thread I started about it - http://line6.com/support/topic/19805-helix-to-poweramp-cab-and-helix-to-foh-easiest-way-to-make-this-happen/ I also have detailed pics of the process if you like... just hit me at tvegas99@msn.com

good stuff!

I love the Power Station... it's incredibly flexible... yes it fits in my front pouch of my Helix bag... it sounds and feels great, it's an amazing guitar tool For me the coolest thing is the flexibility... Fryette has a GPDI coming out (basically a one watt amp with multiple uses)... soon I'll be using the Helix just as a pedalboard sometimes via the 4CM, the Power Station will provide 50 watts of oomph for the GPDI (Preamp which is also a standalone recording device AND it can send a signal to FOH with an IR) ... this way I'll have multiple options for recording/live playing, sometimes I can roll in with just my Helix, sometimes Helix and PS and sometimes Helix, PS and GPDI... at $699 is not the cheapest, but it's worth every penny ... usually you can pick one up over at TGP/Reverb/eBay for $500 which is an incredible deal Last but not least the Power Station can attenuate your big amps and help you record them... I just don't have any big amps lying around, but I hope to in the future... did I mention the PS can provide an effects loop for any amp/preamp that might need one as well https://www.youtube.com/user/FryetteAmps/videos

the question for me is raw versus recorded, FRFR is traditionally giving you the recorded guitar sound the raw guitar sound comes through guitar speakers, is it even possible to make these two different sounds mesh in a way that makes us happy OR are they better separate than combined

there is so much info avail on this topic ... use the search function... that's what the internet is for 1- are you sure you want to use FRFR? do you have any experience with it? 2- budget? 3- does your band use IEM's? a PA? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but there is so much info avail on your question ... how are a bunch of people you don't know able to make suggestions on a purchase we have know idea you can afford or what your expectations are etc.... you should do a little reading and at least come back with a more informed question

I think Avatar is a great company, somebody needs to crack the 2x12 or 2x10 cab with FRFR capabilities... is it a viable opportunity? I don't know if scientifically this type of cab can produce the level of happiness we think we want/should get from a guitar cab/FRFR solution I know Mission has done it but I have not seen great reviews

here is another killer tutorial on making this happen from RRMark, I have pics that go along with this setup, feel free to message me if you'd like to have access to them, many thanks for the assistance Mark! I have accompanying photos/screenshots that illustrate this process, message me for info. I have enclosed a helix preset with the following instructions already performed so may be worth saving as a template. I put in a dual cab in incase you want stereo to FOH/FRFR but easily changed Yellow circles indicate the bit i am talking about. Important! Have to do this on the actual Helix Image Helix1. First i set the output of path 1a to path 2a. Image Helix2. Put a cab or IR block at the end of path 2a.(Has to be a dual cab block for stereo output to XLR, all IRs are mono) Image Helix3. Whilst the cab/IR block is selected press the action button and drag it down with the dial to the right of the Helix screen. This will create and place it on a parallel path 2b. Image Helix4. Select the Y-merge where parallel paths 2a and 2b meet. Image Helix5. Again using the dial, drag it down to path 2b. This will create the separate outputs for 2a and 2b. Image Helix6+7 Change the outputs to 1/4" and XLR Image Helix8. If you want both outputs to share all blocks (apart from the Cab/IR) this reverb is placed to show the last available position.

well my way didn't work and more help would be appreciated?? anybody else have a tough time?? I don't quite understand the 2a to 2b comment...

what a great thread, another Helix Backpack fan here, my Fryette Power Station fits in the front... incredibly powerful combo only time will tell if the backpack is truly a keeper

I'm not a FRFR fan Tyton, I greatly prefer the sound of guitar cabs onstage... GREATLY

I'm coming from Kemper land where all I had to do was hit a button and I was able to send the XLR to FOH with cab sims and plug in the Kemper to a cab (no cab sims) and voila! I heard guitar onstage through my speaker cab and the FOH mixes a cab sim of my amp ... very easy I'm not complaining it's not as easy on the Helix, I'm just curious how most of you that like this setup (helix & cab onstage while sending cab sims to FOH) ... are handling the routing/split/merge etc... I've only spent about 2 hrs with the Helix and I'm really, really enjoying it, I feel as though I've given the manual a pretty good reading but I still don't have enough hands on time with it to answer my question and the section on merge/split is not very detailed IMHO It seems it should be as simple as guitar - effects - amp (just amp or preamp) - delay - then split to two outputs - one with no cab sims 1/4 inch out and one to XLR with cab sims for FOH I have not found an easy way to do this yet, either I'm missing something simple or I don't understand the merge/split rules yet... any help would be greatly appreciated OR if I missed a thread that details this greater please direct me... I did do a search