brian6string Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I recently got a SonicPort for using to practice...figured plugging my guitar into my iPad was better than what I usually do. So I got MobilePOD and went to the CustomTone shop to find some tones close to what I use in my HD500x. Pretty underwhelming for the most part to be honest, but it is only for practicing. I did find this one rather spectacular patch--called John Petrucci Dream Theater overdrive or something like that. This was as close to "the tone" I hear in my head (and have never quite achieved), as anything I've ever heard. Looking at the patch I found something really interesting: the guy had this signal chain: guitar->noise gate->amp->compressor->delay->reverb. In real life, who would ever put all of that after the amp? Probably no one. So I tried this on my HD500x and you know what? Same thing! Leads that sing! I'm using a Treadplate amp set to what I've read as Petrucci's eq and gain values. So if you're looking for something new to try... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellM5 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nice. I think it's a common practice in studios to put delay and reverb effects after the amp; not sure about a compressor though. It just goes to show that there are no hard rules when it comes to effects routing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nice. I think it's a common practice in studios to put delay and reverb effects after the amp; not sure about a compressor though. It just goes to show that there are no hard rules when it comes to effects routing. In the studio, they usually want you dry so they can mix in all of the fx themselves. Your reverb needs to match all of the other reverbs. Your echo can't over power the other echo. Etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryechua Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I recently got a SonicPort for using to practice...figured plugging my guitar into my iPad was better than what I usually do. So I got MobilePOD and went to the CustomTone shop to find some tones close to what I use in my HD500x. Pretty underwhelming for the most part to be honest, but it is only for practicing. I did find this one rather spectacular patch--called John Petrucci Dream Theater overdrive or something like that. This was as close to "the tone" I hear in my head (and have never quite achieved), as anything I've ever heard. Looking at the patch I found something really interesting: the guy had this signal chain: guitar->noise gate->amp->compressor->delay->reverb. In real life, who would ever put all of that after the amp? Probably no one. So I tried this on my HD500x and you know what? Same thing! Leads that sing! I'm using a Treadplate amp set to what I've read as Petrucci's eq and gain values. So if you're looking for something new to try... it's not really "after the amp" right? that chain is actually after the preamp and before the power amp section of the amp in edit software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsdenj Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Its not possible to put any effects blocks between the amp block preamp, power amp, speaker and/or mic, these are an integrated configuration unit. Effect blocks after the HD500 amp block are post-amp, but pre-FRFR or whatever amplifier is processing the POD output. The effect here is likely caused by the compressor. A compressor senses the input signal, and lowers the output gain based on the threshold and compression ratio. The attack and release times, and compression ratio is fixed in all the POD compressors, so the only control you have is the choice of the compressor, threshold and makeup gain. A distorted guitar is already pretty compressed or limited by the clipping in the preamps and power amps. So the compressor sees a relatively constant input at a pretty high level that's probably well over the threshold. So the compressor is on most of the time, smoothing out the guitar sound even more, making it sing with sustain. I think its pretty common in a studio to put EQ, compression, delay and reverb after a mic'd guitar amp to tailor the sound. So this preset is simulating that setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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