Graemey Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Been meaning to address this for a while. As huge fan of Old Electro Harmonix gear, I was curious to hear the Line 6 model of the Electric Mistress flanger and Deluxe Memory Man analog delay. I find the Elephant Man (Memory Man) model pretty good and usable for live convenience. The Courtesan flanger (Electric Mistress model) is not really doing it for me though. It's so inaccurate, I wonder if Line6 have actually modeled the newer digital EHX Mistress (which sounds NOTHING like the analog Mistress)? I wanna add compression and tape delay and pretend I'm Andy Summers. I wanna play the begining of Spirit of Radio and pretend I'm Alex Lifeson. For what it's worth, I want the one on the right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) On 7/14/2016 at 8:53 PM, Graemey said: As huge fan of Old Electro Harmonix gear, Yep, me too. Big fan of EHX But from the info in the manual, the Courtesan in Helix is based on the Deluxe Model Electric Mistress. This is the model that I used for years. A real classic. Why not try running it through a tape delay and a compressor - just an idea. (Oh, yeah - now I should get ready for more "why the snippy comment" comments coming my way for stating the bleeding obvious.) It's just an observation, marra! Edited March 14, 2019 by datacommando Pic removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemey Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yep, me too. Big fan of EHX But from the info in the manual, the Courtesan in Helix is based on the Deluxe Model Electric Mistress. Yeah, that's right, the Courtesan is modeled on the Deluxe Mistress, I remember now. It still sounds nothing like one though. The large box Deluxe and smaller battery Mistress have a unique flanging sound. I was just a bit gutted that the Courtesan gets nowhere near it. Frustrating when you consider how accurate something like the Uni Vibe is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo_Maina Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah, that's right, the Courtesan is modeled on the Deluxe Mistress, I remember now. It still sounds nothing like one though. The large box Deluxe and smaller battery Mistress have a unique flanging sound. I was just a bit gutted that the Courtesan gets nowhere near it. Frustrating when you consider how accurate something like the Uni Vibe is. I agree I owned EHX deluxe mistress and dunlop reissue of Univibe. Univibe is perfect, the mistress so-so. In Helix I prefer: 70 chorus trinity chours Gray flanger I don't like all leslies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 i didn't like the leslie's at first but after a tweak and assigning speed to control pedal i like them now. they were a bit too gritty at first. Actually i have been running them after a speaker cab, i wonder how they work instead of a speaker cab.. seeing as leslies are themselves speakers.(and i seem to remember that in amplitube they were placed in the speaker cab section with mic modelling etc) I must go and try ... i wonder if line 6 will give us a properly modelled leslie with (stereo?)mic placement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I was just a bit gutted that the Courtesan gets nowhere near it. Hi Graemey, Just curious, but have you always been unhappy with the Courtesan model or is it a change to the sound since the latest update to the FW. There has been quite a few users who have mentioned that since the update it has somehow seriously changed the sound of Helix. Some, especially notable is Glen DeLaune, have found radical differences - the real big one is with Pitch Shifters. Wondering if this may be a similar thing. Or it could be that a digital representation of an old analogue effect is simply too precise and clinical. I certainly know it is totally different to the sound that used to emanate from my fizzing ancient Selmer Treble & Bass 50 way back in the mid seventies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemey Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hi Graemey, Just curious, but have you always been unhappy with the Courtesan model or is it a change to the sound since the latest update to the FW. There has been quite a few users who have mentioned that since the update it has somehow seriously changed the sound of Helix. Some, especially notable is Glen DeLaune, have found radical differences - the real big one is with Pitch Shifters. Wondering if this may be a similar thing. Or it could be that a digital representation of an old analogue effect is simply too precise and clinical. I certainly know it is totally different to the sound that used to emanate from my fizzing ancient Selmer Treble & Bass 50 way back in the mid seventies. Hi! No, I noticed the first time I tried a Helix. Actually, that was at a shop demo session with Paul Hindmarsh from Line 6. He offered me a play through the Helix and I asked to hear the Electric Mistress sound because I knew precisely what I wanted to hear to get an idea of modeling accuracy. I still bought a Helix that day though haha! I can't say I've noticed much difference since the latest update with stock sounds. I'm very pleased with the latest firmware (especially the tuner). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 No, I noticed the first time I tried a Helix. Actually, that was at a shop demo session with Paul Hindmarsh from Line 6. He offered me a play through the Helix and I asked to hear the Electric Mistress sound because I knew precisely what I wanted to hear to get an idea of modeling accuracy. I still bought a Helix that day though haha! I can't say I've noticed much difference since the latest update with stock sounds. I'm very pleased with the latest firmware (especially the tuner). Well, if he got you to buy something you were not impressed with, it must be down to Mr. Hindmarsh being a superior salesman, as well as an excellent guitar slinger. Pure genius! I've been having a mess around with the Helix EM model today and personally I find it good enough (for what I need). It does a pretty good digital impression of the old analogue swirly and notch filtering along with the mad oscillations and warbling, plus you can get all that clanging and chimey metal noise when the auto sweep is off. Guess it's all down to personal taste. As I previously mentioned - back in the day - I used to have an original NYC Big Muff Fuzz Pi, a 1974 version 2 Small Stone Phaser and the Deluxe Electric Mistress all going into a very old Simm Watt Eko Dek and a Selmer Treble & Bass 50 with a Goliath 18" bass speaker. Damn - when that stuff got lit up on a Saturday night, I could pick up radio transmissions from taxi drivers in Prague! Ha! Digital! Ya don't know your born. May be I could get Line 6 to model the noise of the seventies for us. ;) Oh, yeah. If you are after the Andy Summers "Massage in a Brothel" twangy sound - check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYXgJttHj0 Later Marra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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