Helix speakers (guitar cab, pa speaker or monitor)

[miki736]

Hello,

 

I bought helix lt and simple guitar cabinet from harley benton with celestion g112 12'. I ran it through amp (not guitar, simple signal amp) and ... it was ok, but a little too loud for me and not very useful for recording because i used only amp simulation not cabinet. Sound on my DAW was of course different than what i heard in my room. I send back cabinet and bought monitors Mackie cr4.

 

And i am really disappointed beacuse of a harsh bass, now i can hear clear what i play if only don't pull up volume too much. I think now my computer speakers worth 3 time less played better than this monitors. And louder, and i could manage with bass and treble. Mackie is good for hearing what irecorded but i don't feel no pleasure playing through them, play on low volume... i want to rock! :D 

 

What i want is to find solution, figure out i could buy pa speaker, but i want 2 speakers not one and be able to put them on my desk. Almost every PA is big and expensive and comes with one speaker. Now i think of buying two hifi used columns with amp (cheaper than new pa speaker) then i can manage bass treble and be able to not just record but to play with higher volume and pleasure.

 

On what do you play with helix ? Cmon maybe somebody give me some idea

 

Regards 

 

 

[cruisinon2]

No matter what you buy, you'll have to get used to how to tweak your tones. Running into ANY kind of FRFR speakers, whether it's a PA, studio reference monitors, or a pair of quality headphones, you'll will almost always find the need to apply low and/or high frequency EQ cuts to get rid of excess the low end muddiness, or high end "sizzle" common to this kind of rig. With a "real" guitar amp, the speakers themselves and the construction of the cabinet they're in apply these cuts naturally, but modeling is a very different world. There is no magic speaker solution that's gonna give you exactly what you want right out of the box.

[ShredRex]

I think it works in any combination. But as noted previous, you need to tweak according to your setup. I don't think there is any right or wrong way to do it. I personally use the L2T speakers for live and rehearsal, but at home I am plugged into my PC and studio monitors....and sometimes one of the L2T as well :)

 

For my application I can pretty much go between monitors and the L2T speakers as they are both flat reference, you most definitely would have to tweak separate patches for monitors and then another for integration with your amp set up. But isn't that half the fun? 

[DirtFarmer]

I've run a handful of different setups, they all sound different and had different patches due to needing to adjust EQ settings. 

 

My current rig

Helix Rack -> Art SLA-1 (100w SS amp) -> Mesa Thiele 1x12 cab.

 

I love it, can get soft and sweet, to loud AF.  I've run the same setup thru a 2x12 with Celestion GT12T-75's, and a Marshall 1960A with the same speakers.  Not using any cab impulses when doing this.  I've also run it thru Tannoy 802's, studio monitors using cab impulses.  As well as going into PA speaker, Peavy PVX12p's.  I've even used the Helix thru a Blackstar series one combo, using only the power section and cab.

 

My main point is you need to learn how to setup eq's, frequencies, etc.  Nothing will sound amazing right out of the box, there is just two many variables.  What I did when I started was watch youtube videos, match what they did, and then adjust to personal taste once I understood what I was doing.

 

As for what type of speaker to buy, studio monitors should be great for what you want to do.  I will say that if you comprimise and try to find something in the middle, the results will show that.  If you want PA speakers then buy proper PA speakers, if you want speakers you your desk buy proper studio monitors.  Otherwise you're going to land in the middle and find its not great at doing either job but OK at doing both.

[DunedinDragon]

Mackie CR4 speakers are a bit of an odd animal.  Generally speaking for recording you want really true flat reference monitors so that what you dial in to them will be pretty close to what gets recorded.  These aren't the same as consumer audio speakers, but rather pro audio speakers  Mackie CR4 are marketed somewhere between consumer and pro audio speakers as is evidenced by the design of a single amp in one speaker and the other speaker being a passive speaker.  This isn't typically the design of the pro audio reference monitor in which each speaker has it's own independent amp and frequency response trims.  Something like the Yamaha HS series.  You'll pay a bit more, but you'll probably get closer to what you want.

 

The bottom line, in this category of speaker whether it be studio monitor or live FRFR speaker, you generally get what you pay for.

[miki736]

All right. Thank you all for answers and ideas. I wasnt expecting That in Such a short Time. Truth is i am a Little deaf. I ve had an accident when i was a Child and nów i hear you can say good bass and treble but have a problem with hearing mids frequency. Maybe that is why i am pulling up mid often in my recordings. Maybe record isnt the best because of it but f.. It. I play for fun ;) i try to take care of my hearing, dont listen to headphones out of my home but when i play i dont care. I want to play loud, hear and feel it ;) i think i m gonna go with helix and guitar to a guy with hifi columns. See what is my impression and decide. Thankfully hes living close to me. And they are really cheap. What s important to me is i can eq this columns with bass treble mid knobs, that is what i cannot do with mackie with real time playing (i can use global eq but i cant or i think i cant use computer equalizer, i downloaded equalizer apo but its working only on music played like from youtube)

Sorry for big words j am writing on phone.

Ps:

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