Signal Routing

[pacard]

First, I just want to say they should take the engineers out back and shoot them for making the HD500X signal routing a NIGHTMARE!!!

 

Now, that I've got that out of my system....I've read a TON and downloaded the list of stereo, mono, tru Stereo, etc fx. I want full control of my panning. I think it's ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS THAT AN FX CAN OVERRIDE MY PAN SETTINGS. I have a two channel amp. I want one xlr going to each amp channel. One amp channel is configured for optimal electric guitar tones while the other channel is optimized for acoustic tones. When I'm playing electric guitar, I don't want sound bleeding into my acoustic channel. 

 

Now, as I understand it, the only way to maintain control over panning is to end every patch with either a MONO or True Stereo fx. If I don't, no matter what my pan settings are, the signal will go through both xlr lines.

 

Here's the problem. I like to end my signal chain with a Reverb. Turns out NONE of the reverb fx's are either MONO or True Stereo. So, unless someone has a decent idea, am I completely screwed here?

 

Thanks in advance.

[pianoguyy]

On 3/27/2018 at 2:10 PM, pacard said:

for making the HD500X signal routing a NIGHTMARE!!!

 

Never once lost a moment's sleep over the unit. 

Maybe these nightmares are a result of user error. 

[pacard]

21 hours ago, pianoguyy said:

 

Never once lost a moment's sleep over the unit. 

Maybe these nightmares are a result of user error. 

well that was helpful...not.

user error? lol  how many threads are focused on signal paths and stereo vs mono?? NOTHING should override panning. NOTHING.

well, at least some of your other threads have been helpful.

[pacard]

On 3/27/2018 at 12:48 PM, hurghanico said:

the other way to be always sure that the 2 channels will be independent and separate is by avoiding to put any FX after the mixer block, and keep the mixer pan controls hard panned Left and Right,

 

hurghanico, thank you for the constructive reply. much appreciated. is there any downside to having the mixer block last in my signal chain?

[spaceatl]

Perhaps if you posted a patch or picture of your chain, it might help us determine what is going on for you...If you put one reverb on the end, you will get bleed since it will be shared when the stereo chains are merged...I track guitar and vocal separately all the time for initial original demos with my HD. Not quite the same situation, but I do not have any bleed...

[pianoguyy]

1 hour ago, pacard said:

how many threads are focused on 

 

Based on the amount of threads? There's always a lot of user error on user forums. 

If you look around, there are plenty of posts where people think they can plug their unit directly into a cab. And plenty where people think they can put reverb before distortion. 

 

You can't blame stupid on the device. 

[pacard]

33 minutes ago, pianoguyy said:

 

Based on the amount of threads? There's always a lot of user error on user forums. 

If you look around, there are plenty of posts where people think they can plug their unit directly into a cab. And plenty where people think they can put reverb before distortion. 

 

You can't blame stupid on the device. 

Wow! Someone took their a-wholes vitamins today! Pound sand dbag. I've seen countless threads on the subject, numerous diagrams and spreadsheets. Go find another thread to be useless on!

 

You once had something of value to contribute. Guess that time has since passed. 

[pacard]

33 minutes ago, hurghanico said:

 

the only downside to having the mixer block last in your signal chain is that doing so you don't share any FX between the 2 channels, which thing obviously is more DSP resources consuming, which might limit the total number of FXs that you can have at the same time in the chains..

 

but given that you have the X version of the HD500 you have 20% more resources at disposal compared to the old HD500, ie a bit more freedom to do what you want before hitting the limit

I think I'll be ok. Haven't had any need to run dual signal paths. I'll have to give this a try.

 

Thanks again! 

[pacard]

Well, i tried putting both a nosie gate and a mixing block at the end of my signal chain as seen here. In both cases, despite panning, sound is still bleeding into the right channel. I just don't get it.

 

 

 

what am i doing wrong? panning does nothing.

 

just a side note. the difference is night and day moving the noise gate to the end of the signal chain. it's almost as if it doesn't even work at the end of the chain. much better first in line.

 

 

 

 

[kpsion]

Between your amp and mixer you have to different paths A and B (this is why two lines goes out out amp and enters mixer)

 

You should put evry electric guitar related fx on path A (top line) pan it hard left for example and connect left output on dedicated channel

 

Same for path B but right pan and output

 

 

As said by Hugarnico, do not put fx after mixer to avoid channel sum up

 

This should do the job

 

 

 

[pacard]

Kpsion,

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Update. I started w a completely new patch and duplicated a previous patch one fx at a time. Oddly, now the panning is working. Exact same settings. Not sure why, but I'll take it. Kept mixer last in signal chain.  

[spaceatl]

Using a single chain makes sense that it might bleed...Anyway, for what it's worth, I use a dual amp patch for my splits...basically, the amp model is set to NONE on the lower chain. My guitar chain is on the top chain. I am using a guitar and mic input and isolate where Left is guitar and Right is vocal. I am generally just using a Vintage PRE only on the vocal chain...delay and a plate for live...sorry I do not have a photo handy...